Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even when he was 14 he was taking on groups of trained assassins and making sutble movements so fast that the assassins couldn't even catch them (and thats sans chi amping). He is a monster he fights groups of monks that know every martial art style at the same time and he wins.
Read what Richard Dragon is capable of, and then come back and talk. 😉
Originally posted by SuperherovandalWolverine would have to win since there is no way Batman could possible have anywhere near the amount of martial arts learning and knowledge that Wolverine has. Only way Bats could be remotely as skilled as Logan would be if Wolverine was stuck in storage for the extra 90 years of training he went through. And even then Wolverine would probably win because you dont eff with the diciple of Ogun. It's just not done.
nobody actually thinks that bats could take Wolvie we're talking about if we took away all of Wolvies powers.
Just because Wolverine isn't written as Musashi on crack, doesn't mean he doesn't have the knowledge. He does. It's a fact. Most writers just like to ignore it because it would be no fun if Wolverine just killed Daredevil, Cap, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and the Silver Samurai. If Wolverine were written to his skills (As Batman has to be or Batman will die.) the Marvel Universe would lose a good 60% of it's characters just in fights with Wolverine alone.
Originally posted by batdude123
Read what Richard Dragon is capable of, and then come back and talk. 😉
Yeah I've already read what Richard Dragon is capable, from comics noless... so I doubt that will make a difference.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
yeah but he never shows his prowness. Bats has done far more impressive martial arts feats than Wolvie ever has. like mastering the Leopard Blow a move that only Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva know.
And don't forget the Tiger Fist. Only he and ONE more person on earth know that move.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalWolverine has mastered claw thrust. Much better and far more effective than Leapard Blow. Wolverine is the deadliest man on the planet. Batman does not share that distinction is DC.
yeah but he never shows his prowness. Bats has done far more impressive martial arts feats than Wolvie ever has. like mastering the Leopard Blow a move that only Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva know.
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine has mastered claw thrust. Much better and far more effective than Leapard Blow. Wolverine is the deadliest man on the planet. Batman does not share that distinction is DC.
Read the last part of this paragraph and then tell me that it's more powerful. And just to remind you, we're discussing a Wolverine w/o any of his mutant powers. That includes his claws.
Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.
Originally posted by batdude123
Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why.
Originally posted by brainchild81
That growing in people's minds stuff should have an"*" next to it that stands for "can only be done to the weak minded or stupid". He's not doing that to Wolvie. He'd get punched dead in the mouth just for trying that crap on Logan.
Originally posted by brainchild81
I never said he would do that to Wolverine. He does that while he's in the shadows, not when somebody is fighting him. You already posted that and we're off that subject anyway. And if you choose to ignore the rest of the gigantic post, that's fine. I realize that it hurts your arguement, so you can ignore it if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he can do all that stuff.
I'd like to see him grow in the mind of someone noteworthy. Him being in shadows makes no difference. Any scans? The rest of the stuff is great and made sense to me, that's why I didn't speak on it. I've ignored nothing. I still don't think he has enough of what it takes to beat Wolvie though. Doesn't hurt my argument @ all
Originally posted by brainchild81
I'd like to see him grow in the mind of someone noteworthy. Him being in shadows makes no difference. Any scans? The rest of the stuff is great and made sense to me, that's why I didn't speak on it. I've ignored nothing. I still don't think he has enough of what it takes to beat Wolvie though. Doesn't hurt my argument @ all
Are you saying that w/o ANY of Wolverine's mutant powers, he could stand up to a tiger fist?
Originally posted by brainchild81
@ first you said "no healing or adbones". That version simply wouldn't get hit by that move. Without any powers @ all though, Bats should win
Well, sorry if I didn't "word" it correctly, but that's what we are arguing, Wolverine w/o any powers. Some people are saying that even if Wolverine didn't have his powers, he would still beat Batman. 😆
Wolverine can track people over miles, it doesn't matter if Batman hides in a shadow, he'll soon find his ass on the razors edge. What's even funnier is that there would be no where for him to run that Logan wouldn't catch him. Do you remember what happend when he tried that BS on Slade? Oh I remember he got knocked the hell out. And Logans very finger tip could be considered as weapons, his bones are laced with Adamantium.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Wolverine can track people over miles, it doesn't matter if Batman hides in a shadow, he'll soon find his ass on the razors edge. What's even funnier is that there would be no where for him to run that Logan wouldn't catch him. Do you remember what happend when he tried that BS on Slade? Oh I remember he got knocked the hell out. And Logans very finger tip could be considered as weapons, his bones are laced with Adamantium.
🙄 If you'd have been keeping track, this is Wolverine w/o any powers and w/o any adamantium. It's just a pure skill fight between the two.
Why is it that when it's time for Batman to get a spanking people are always saying take away this, and take away that. With Captain America it was the Serum, with Wolverine it's the claws, next it will be his healing factor, Batman would get it time and again from him, it would be so bad that whenever he heard that Logan was in town he'd take a vacation. I thought this thread stated no weapons? Healing is not a weapon.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Why is it that when it's time for Batman to get a spanking people are always saying take away this, and take away that. With Captain America it was the Serum, with Wolverine it's the claws, next it will be his healing factor, Batman would get it time and again from him, it would be so bad that whenever he heard that Logan was in town he'd take a vacation. I thought this thread stated no weapons? Healing is not a weapon.
We're discussing w/o Batman's weapons and w/o Logans mutant powers. Batman is just the more skilled of the two in fighting, period. I never said that under normal circumstances Batman would win, because he wouldn't. But under these stipulations, Batman would win.
Originally posted by batdude123
We're discussing w/o Batman's weapons and w/o Logans mutant powers. Batman is just the more skilled of the two in fighting, period. I never said that under normal circumstances Batman would win, because he wouldn't. But under these stipulations, Batman would win.
Batman is only human, has always been only human and has pushed himself farther and harder then most other humans training (aside from me, derp derp.)
In my opinion Batman takes it, he's more familiar with his limits what they are and how far he can take it constantly. Wolverine more often then not has had tools he could fall back on ie healing and claws etc etc. Batman works past it all.