Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine beat Ogun twice wailing away like an animal. Didn't even use an ounce of skill. Who needs to know all that bat mumbo jumbo when your natural ability to brawl is better than all the skills of the world's greatest martial artist?
So you admit that Wolverine doesn't know all that other stuff? 😄 I think it's kind of funny that you chose to omit the other stuff I posted. 😆
Originally posted by batdude123
Dude, did you even read all of this? Cause I seriously doubt you did. Wolverine's experience doesn't necessarily means he's a better martial artist. Wolverine fighting consits mainly of him hacking and slashing aimlessly like a wild animal. When has Wolverine demonstrated Haragei, Sakki, Kiai, Chi, the Tiger Fist (Which only two people in the WORLD know and Batman is one of them), or has been able to force his presence on others (much like the Wrath of God)?
Maybe Batman just has a lot of Charisma? You don't need to be a massively skilled person to exert your will over people, just being confident is usually enough.
Has Wolverine ever shown the use of Haragei? Maybe. He has send animals running just by looking at them (dogs, wolves, bears ect) and had spiritual battles with ancient forest spirits. And ontop of that people, even his friends are generally scared of having physical confrontations with him.
Originally posted by jinzin
yeah see this is why I was hesitant to say wolverine wins.. batmans skills concerning "the shadow warrior" stuff seems pretty daunting...
Exactly. ✅ See, I'm not for one minute trying to say that Wolverine would lose to Batman under normal circumstances. I'm saying that if Batman didn't have any gadgets and if Wolverine didn't have ANY of his mutant powers, then more than likely Batman would win in a fight. I mean, Batman has taken down Solomon Grundy with use of pressure points. When have we seen Wolverine use pressure points ever?
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine knows plenty of "Shadow Warrior" crap too. He was able to turn invisible in a wide open field in broad daylight while Nightcrawler was looking right at him.
yeah see this is why I was hesitant to say wolverine wins.. batmans skills concerning "the shadow warrior" stuff seems pretty daunting...
But anyway as I clearly illustrated:
Wolverine's Brawl>>>better than all the skills of the world's greatest fighter. If Wolverine actually used his crazy skill sit would be rediculously bad for Bats.
Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly. ✅ See, I'm not for one minute trying to say that Wolverine would lose to Batman under normal circumstances. I'm saying that if Batman didn't have any gadgets and if Wolverine didn't have ANY of his mutant powers, then more than likely Batman would win in a fight. I mean, Batman has taken down Solomon Grundy with use of pressure points. When have we seen Wolverine use pressure points ever?
in a training session with kity pride.. though the force with which he used them destroyed the metal dummy he was practicing on...
Originally posted by batdude123
I do read Wolverine. Don't assume that I don't. Let's try and not make this personal here. They're just comics for God's sake. Anyway, as of late, Wolverine hasn't shown any amount of skill that would put him on Batman's level of skill, regardless of what the stupidass handbooks say.
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine knows plenty of "Shadow Warrior" crap too. He was able to turn invisible in a wide open field in broad daylight while Nightcrawler was looking right at him.But anyway as I clearly illustrated:
Wolverine's Brawl>>>better than all the skills of the world's greatest fighter. If Wolverine actually used his crazy skill sit would be rediculously bad for Bats.
The only reason that Wolverine can beat people by simply out brawling with them, is because of his healing factor, his adamantium bones, and his claws. Take away all of his mutant powers including his adamantium bones, and he's just a fury little runt with above average strength. Batman would win under all those circumstances.
Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly. ✅ See, I'm not for one minute trying to say that Wolverine would lose to Batman under normal circumstances. I'm saying that if Batman didn't have any gadgets and if Wolverine didn't have ANY of his mutant powers, then more than likely Batman would win in a fight. I mean, Batman has taken down Solomon Grundy with use of pressure points. When have we seen Wolverine use pressure points ever?
Originally posted by batdude123You obviously choose to ignore Wolverine's better than Captain America experience and the fact that he trained with a freakin sorceror. Bats only trained for 10 years and he wasn't even fighting the whole time. Only is fantasy land could someone believe that 10 years of training could top a century.
Take away all of his mutant powers including his adamantium bones, and he's just a fury little runt with above average strength. Batman would win under all those circumstances.
Originally posted by riceroost
You obviously choose to ignore Wolverine's better than Captain America experience and the fact that he trained with a freakin sorceror. Bats only trained for 10 years and he wasn't even fighting the whole time. Only is fantasy land could someone believe that 10 years of training could top a century.
Batman has 20 years of experience. And having more experience means dick unless you spent those extra years well and with better training.
Originally posted by riceroost
You obviously choose to ignore Wolverine's better than Captain America experience and the fact that he trained with a freakin sorceror. Bats only trained for 10 years and he wasn't even fighting the whole time. Only is fantasy land could someone believe that 10 years of training could top a century.
well no offense... but this IS fantasy leand we're talking about... (remembers DC's theory on batman and wolverine not being able to learn all forms of martial arts given their lifespans..)
Originally posted by batdude123
Batman has 20 years of experience. And having more experience means dick unless you spent those extra years well and with better training.
Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine spent eyars of his lfie with the best martial artest to ever live and then he spent years ina village full of the best ninjas
Yes, I've heard it all before, but when does Wolverine actually use his martial art abilities? And btw, Wolverine doesn't know all the martial arts in the world.