Dr. Manhattan vs Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Does Surfer have regeneration feats like DM? How would he kill him if total atomic dispersion doesn't work?

Silver Surfer contacted the whole world and gave them peace a few times. I think he could have dealt with-

Hmmm. Although it's hard to believe... some people haven't read Watchmen, and I don't want to give away any plot points. Anyway, I think Surfer could have dealt with what happened in the final issue. Whoever is reading this thread and hasn't read Watchmen, go do yourself a favor and buy it, download it, or just spend a few hours in Barnes & Noble and read it off the stand. One of the greatest pieces of modern literature ever.

I still think Surfer. Dr. Manhattan always struck me as a young, naive and more withdrawn Earth-bound Surfer from the ole days.

couldn't Surfer coat DM's atoms in some force or other which would permanently prevent their realignment?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hmm. I haven't read Watchmen in a while. I really should. How long did it take for Dr. Manhattan to reintegrate his form? If it was more than 10 seconds, that'd be a knockout, right? And while I could believe Dr. Manhattan could eventually escape being banished into places such as the Negative Zone, has he travelled through time? If not, then that's another way for Surfer to win. Frankly, if there is anybody that could beat Dr. Manhattan, it'd be Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer contacted the whole world and gave them peace a few times. I think he could have dealt with-

Hmmm. Although it's hard to believe... some people haven't read Watchmen, and I don't want to give away any plot points. Anyway, I think Surfer could have dealt with what happened in the final issue. Whoever is reading this thread and hasn't read Watchmen, go do yourself a favor and buy it, download it, or just spend a few hours in Barnes & Noble and read it off the stand. One of the greatest pieces of modern literature ever.

I still think Surfer. Dr. Manhattan always struck me as a young, naive and more withdrawn Earth-bound Surfer from the ole days.

im not positive but i believe DM has control over space and time

Originally posted by janus77
couldn't Surfer coat DM's atoms in some force or other which would permanently prevent their realignment?

dont believe that would work DM has energy and matter manipulation also

The difference between DM and SS is that I actually feel like DM is godlike by his actions. With SS he is written all over the place and you can't get a grasp on his abilities. If anybody can give me a firm definition of SS abilities they are lieing to themselves. SS suffers from the superman dillema. He is and undefined hero. This allows writers to feel comfortable, no matter how obsurd they make his all around showings seem.

It's like superman and flash with light speed. You figure if flash and superman have a feat of moving faster than the speed of thought, then how do u go about writing that character believably ever again? Well they are in luck because superman readers must have the greatest suspension of belief.

One last thing. Lets not forget that DM can create life, I can't remember if SS can. The SS is just like superman 90% of the time. He fires energy projectiles and flies thats it 90% of the time. He's like a brick with powers that for some reason he can't use in battle.

Watchmen is one of the last great comics in my eyes. It had heroes with defined abilities. Comics now are at a point where everybody is bordering on godlike and you can never get a clear answer on who is superior.

Also yes DM has space time control. Also in the marvel universe everybody and his dog can travel time. If you can tell me the last thing time traveling in the MU solved of importance i'll eat a baby. Doesn't surfer travel to an alternate timeline anyways? From what i gather you can't go back and change your timeline in the MU. Maybe i'm wrong.

Good god.

Are you people serious?

Originally posted by razor4life
SS suffers from the superman dillema.

Originally posted by Newjak
Then again he exists in Universe where there are people as pwoerful or stronger than him.

The only other characters for DM to compare with were normal humans of course he will seem like he can do anything. Sersi, Magneto, and Storm would all appear like they could do anything in the same scenario.

I find it hard to believe they'd pull themselves together from stray atoms or use high level matter manip. (except Sersi, of course).

Surfer wouldn't be able to kill him. The best he could hope for is an incapacitation. And did you really make the argument that telepathy might work? That would be covered in the first half of the "common sense and power set" mentioned earlier for DM.

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Originally posted by KK the Great
Good god.

Are you people serious?

We always are.

Comics are serious business.

I like Dr. Manhattan a lot. However, I would say SS wins. He can do almost everything Manhattan can and has a hell of a lot more experience at it, plus he used to fighting beings on his level or greater.

Originally posted by Philosophía
We always are.

Comics are serious business.

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/animals/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I find it hard to believe they'd pull themselves together from stray atoms or use high level matter manip. (except Sersi, of course).

Surfer wouldn't be able to kill him. The best he could hope for is an incapacitation. And did you really make the argument that telepathy might work? That would be covered in the first half of the "common sense and power set" mentioned earlier for DM.

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With the exception of Sersi who could for the most part replicate all of DM's powerset.

And why couldn't Surfer kill him. You make it sound like DM had no weaknesses or that those limits were sufficiently tested. You also make it sound like Surfer hasn't met and fought with energy based beings before.

Surfer has a number of tricks that Doc never got tested on.

Power Negation,

Mental Attacks,

Power Absorbtion
etc
etc

As I recall correctly DM is a consciousness that was able to reform a body around itself to effect the world. Why couldn't Surfer attack him at that level.

As to whether or not telepathy could effect him. You'd think gods, cosmic entities without bodies, and magical beings would be immune to telepathy not always the case. Powerset and common don't always apply in comics. Why should we assume the good Doc gets a better benefit of a doubt then the likes of Green Lanterns and Silver Surfer.

Dr. Manhatten would destroy the Surfer. A better fight would be Galactus, not Norrin.

The guy could read the future (hence knowing what the Surfer would do). At the end of the Watchmen he stated that he was leaving and out of curiousity, he was going to create his own world and own lifeforms to inhabit it. Thats a tad more serious than the Surfer in my opinion.

Surfer still. Surfer has cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by Newjak
[B]And why couldn't Surfer kill him. You make it sound like DM had no weaknesses or that those limits were sufficiently tested. You also make it sound like Surfer hasn't met and fought with energy based beings before.

Surfer has a number of tricks that Doc never got tested on.
Power Negation,

Mental Attacks,

Power Absorbtion
etc
etc

Hmmm we have not seen enough of Dr. Manhattan to say for sure but even so the good Doctor has not shown the ability to defeat Norin......

We do not have a lot to go on.....so based on feats I will give it to Silver Surfer.....

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
DM has no weaknesses
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I'm pretty sure none of them would work.

And pretty sure those things won't work isn't enough I'm afraid.

Cause those are things Surfer has used to beat people like DM before.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
DM has no weaknesses
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I'm pretty sure none of them would work.

Manhattan hasn't faced anyone else with powers, so we don't know if he has a weakness or not. And like Newjack said, he was vulnerable to Tachyons.

Could these arguments be more sophomoric?

"Surfer has moar of teh feets!"

Of course he does. Manhattan is from a twelve issue mini-series that couldn't have been less about "feats" if it tried, and the other is a forty year old superhero who is almost entirely about feats.