Who Takes Ryu Down Wolverine DeathStroke or Spidey

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
[B]the hell?

that's the way he's been presented...has a person who uses different TYPES of regular bat suits in diff situations....you don't like it, that's fine... but damn...are these characters not supposed to be allowed their best?

everyone here seems to think that spiderman can outmanuever and outdodge one of batmans batarangs with a homing device, but that batman's gonna show up to the fight in a damned kevlar scuba suit...the hell kind of bias is that?

There you answered your own question, and Ryu murdered fei long, this is a non match seriously. 😮‍💨 [/B][/QUOTE]

ummmm using as character at their peak and using a character at their peak potential are completely different things.... it's like saying wolverine at his peak potetential could go train in everything ryu has for 100 years and come to fight a better fighter than ryu....I'm saying feats from what he's done.....not what he COULD do EVENTUALLY.....I'm not impressed

Originally posted by demigawd
It's not just the Alpha Guide. I just read it - it includes Third Strike, the final canon street fighter. That's where it mentioned Akuma creating an explosion on Ayers Rock. And nobody else but Akuma showed that kind of power. If this thread were to say, "Who takes down Akuma from the end of SF3 - Wolverine, Deathstroke or Spidey", I might be a little inclined to vote against the Marvel characters (though Spidey has beaten planetary level characters like Surfer, and Deathstroke has fought Wonder Woman to a standstill). But according to the OFFICIAL CANON GUIDE, Ryu hasn't done anything near that level. Again, you can't go by the movie or obscure one-off comics, because they aren't official or recognized by Capcom. If you're going to debate Street Fighter characters on this forum, you're limited to canon, and Xplosive's canon guide is in plain sight now. Go yell at him for spoiling it for you, lol.

Oh like I said, it depends on the source, I can assure you that ryu is well on his way to defeating akuma, and bison and gill, and oro, are on that tier as well.

As for current yes, but it is indeed by the story line, like many of ryus' endings, dark ryu was a side step of ryu,and shin akuma is akuma, just at his full potential, its all there.

But its too inspecific to debate. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by jinzin
There you answered your own question, and Ryu murdered fei long, this is a non match seriously. 😮‍💨

ummmm using as character at their peak and using a character at their peak potential are completely different things.... it's like saying wolverine at his peak potetential could go train in everything ryu has for 100 years and come to fight a better fighter than ryu....I'm saying feats from what he's done.....not what he COULD do EVENTUALLY.....I'm not impressed [/B][/QUOTE]

He has done those feats, and you yourself know well that ryu is on his way to defeating akuma.

These feats haven't happened then AT ALL? Its worse than not knowing, its ignoring and denying feats you don't want to exist, as usual.

what feats? I'm not even arguing against feats...I'm saying in terms of every media i've ever seen that offers a storyline to follow ryu is no where near what i'd call a god level.....NO WHERE! he gets beaten, and stalemated by regular humans.....that's not a godly level...period.... now if you were to say ryu at his full potential (as I do agree that ONE DAY he will beat akuma) than this would be a different discussion all together....

p.s.

"non-specific" or "unspecific"

inspecific isn't a word....doh

Godly or not, perhaps was an exaggeration, but he has been beaten, yes, but it depends on the source, regardless I've already said that.

Guile's beaten ryu, but then he doesn't come close.

Don't correct word usage, thats not fair at all, considering that we all make errors, even you jinzin. "Horney",lol, just kidding, you're cool.

Thats all

Peace.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Oh like I said, it depends on the source, I can assure you that ryu is well on his way to defeating akuma, and bison and gill, and oro, are on that tier as well.

As for current yes, but it is indeed by the story line, like many of ryus' endings, dark ryu was a side step of ryu,and shin akuma is akuma, just at his full potential, its all there.

But its too inspecific to debate. 😮‍💨

You can't argue potential (especially against mutants, who develop new powers and abilities out of their ass), only where they are now. And according to Canon Guide, Ryu isn't there. 😉

Agreed with the powers going out of their ass thing, but these guys normally train and such.

As for the akuma comparison, he is considered a god and master of the fist and such, but ryu is his rival, he's not shoddy by any means.

Lets say at his max then, that was what I was going by, seeing as the thread starter did not specify that, but I already mentioned how he would lose by those terms in the thread.

There's a shot in potential,I in training would have the better potential to be a good athlete then one who does not, disregarding rare gifts, like in ryu's case.

Regardless, by the source you use you are right, by mine, I'm right, everyones correct here.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
everyones correct here.

Except Stormfront. She's wrong.

where is stormfront?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
where is stormfront?

Does it matter?

I guess not, oh yea, he said he was leaving.

To CorderaMitchell I know a lot of things about Ryu and what he can do but he really is not that good compared to Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke.

And also I have watched the Street Fighter Movie where Ryu dodges some bullets and knock the criminals out. But you know that Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke has been dodging bullets their whole life and fighting is what their good at.

I admit that Ryu has a chance on defeating them but only if you will compare it to the Games. But games is not canon here that's why I'd go for Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke.

Originally posted by demigawd
Well, Xplosive sort of self-destructed your own argument when he posted that guide. In order to keep things fair, you HAVE to go by canon. Which means you can't deviate from the feats and actions listed in Xplosive's official Capcom canon guide. So if the Capcom canon guide doesn't have Ryu dodging bullets, then Ryu can't dodge bullets. Anything else is basically fanfic for profit, and you don't want to go by fanfic versions, because Marvel fanfic characters do some CRAAAAZY stuff.

What are you going by, by the way? If not the official canon, or the SF animated series, or SF animated movie, or DDP...what IS your source?

No, no, no, canon guide I gave, it already say Ryu is powerful as Evil Ryu (Evil Ryu could dodge bullets like nothing, I don't remember if it's mentioned, but it's menitoned about Bison beating 12 opponents in the same time, which is true, and is in tier 1 with Akuma, Oro and Gill in SF3, because in SF3 Bison was really powerful, but he said in SF3 Ryu has ultimate inner power (which also Akuma agrees and Oro feels that) and in SF3 Ryu one punch defeated Bison, while other 12 couldn't beat him and look what Bison could already do, much faster than bullets, freezing time, but Ryu in SF3 was basically in his level, only why Ryu is not in tier 1, cause he is still controling, finding himself and there is no menitoning of dodging bullets, well there is also no mentioning of other feats, as powerful energy projection, Ryu energy than can paralize you, Ryu energy than can completely vaporize you, it's not mentioned, but he can do all of that, like he can easily doge bullets). Ryu and Ken, when fight happened, behind them there was shaking of mountains=canon.
And paneg, Logan hasn't or Spidey hasn't ben dodgin bullets in they way Ryu has, it was clearly shown he is faster than bullets, Logan, Spidey, espeacilly Logan are far from that). And in the end of cartoon, Ryu was much, much, much more powerful than he was at beggining of Alpha, where he was aready dodging bullets like nothing, in the end he was faster than the eye can see, Akuma showed that in Alpha, Sadler show that with Ryu dark hadou, but guess what in the end of Alpha Ryu became more pwoerful than that Dark Hadou and defeated his opponent with one blast, and that opponent showed he was faster than the eye can see, but Ryu defeated his blast and vaporized him easily, but his opponent had Ryu dark hadou and genetics, power of hunders warriros, but Ryu crushed him), and do you remember when Ryu in the end jumped, he and Akuma, and Ryu with one finger, far from showing his true strenght, with one finger when he jumped destroyed completely that rock into pieces). Spider-Man, Deathstroke and Logan all combined would be defeated in less than 10 seconds.

I just want to clear this up, Ryu is not faster than bullets and he will never be. Dodging bullets does not mean you are much faster than it.

For example if Ryu is really much faster than a bullet then he could have prevented the criminals to pull the trigger of the gun like what Flash is doing.

Originally posted by paeng
I just want to clear this up, Ryu is not faster than bullets and he will never be. Dodging bullets does not mean you are much faster than it.

For example if Ryu is really much faster than a bullet then he could have prevented the criminals to pull the trigger of the gun like what Flash is doing.

Look, it was clearly shown in Alpha that he is faster than eye can see (in the end). Even if Ryu is movieng faster than eye can see, he is not as fast as Flash.

Why are you always telling that Ryu is faster than the bullet or faster than the eye when he's not.

Originally posted by paeng
To CorderaMitchell I know a lot of things about Ryu and what he can do but he really is not that good compared to Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke.

No, it depends on the source, this has been overdone, people that can crush meteors, will defeat these guys easily, at their best showing all together.

Originally posted by paeng
And also I have watched the Street Fighter Movie where Ryu dodges some bullets and knock the criminals out. But you know that Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke has been dodging bullets their whole life and fighting is what their good at.

Ryu is beyond normal fighting, you need to see some comics,and even then they shown superhuman feats at their teen years, bison and guile were destryoing trees.
Sf characters are MUCH better fighters.

Originally posted by paeng
I admit that Ryu has a chance on defeating them but only if you will compare it to the Games. But games is not canon here that's why I'd go for Spiderman, Wolverine and Deathstroke.

Comics, this is the comics forum. In games sf characters are at their weakest showings, and in some movies.

In their best showings at comics, which is only fair to do, those three lose easily.

In a worse showing, they win, its that simple.

Originally posted by paeng
Why are you always telling that Ryu is faster than the bullet or faster than the eye when he's not.

Ryu can blast mountains, warp, shoot energy blasts that rip tidal waves, knock down buildings. To compare him at his best showings against these three is absurd.

OK I won't say that Ryu hasn't done this or this isn't cannon but what i will do is take Ryu at his strongest and break the battles down.

NOW I will list Ryu's feats as I have heard them:
He has destroyed a mountain, he has fought someone who has split the ocean, and this same guy also destroyed an island. OK correct me if I'm wrong.
First I'll handle who I think has the least chance against Ryu Wolverine.
Wolverine has fought Hulk who has moved the planet with a punch destroyed mountains and moved tectonic plates.
Spiderman has also fought the Hulk with some degree of success.
I believe though that these two will not win in a fight against Ryu.
wolverine has the fighting knowledge but doesn't have the power to go toe to toe with Ryu.
Spiderman has to a degree the physical ability but lacks the fighting knowledge to be a threat to Ryu.

Now for Deathstroke who I feel can beat Ryu.
First DS has fought against people whose feats way out distance Ryu's. He also fought these people at the same time and survived and this can't be discounted in a fight.
I believe DS has the fighting ability and brains needed to outright defeat Ryu in battle so while Ryu at his best is a great fighter i think that to say these guys have no shot one on one against him in a fight is just outright overrating Ryu

Makes sense, but keep in mind those that he beat do not "fight" as well as ryu does, and have less spiritual energy or "chi" flowing through them, that being said in a "fight" with RYU at his strongest, he wins hands down.

In a fight with his strength in a weaker state, he would most likely lose, but it would be a good fight.