Class 100 Royal Rumble, How strong are theses Guys

Originally posted by yahman
'Okay, I'm a mad Ultimate Colossus fan (Clearly, look at the sig'

Ummm Im not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DO NOT THINK COLOSSUS COULD BEAT THESE CHARACTERS, I JUST THINK HE IS STRONGER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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STOP TURNING THIS INTO A COLOSSUS VS THE MAGIC LIST THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK !!!!!!!!! now i have got that off my chest i can proceed:

Dude whe did Herc do this: (Posted by Olympian)
'more than ripping mountains with your hands, or destroying blocks while figthing the Hulk?'

'And its not his regular feat no, his other strenght feats are below.'(referring to Herc and Aquaman posted by Olympian)

Aquaman's other feats are more impressive than Hercules other ones. Other than the mathattan thingy anyway. I know that Herc is depicted by marvel as a power house, but i dont think he has done enough to prove he is one.

'Cause Thor can control his strenght, more strenght he puts in throwing Mjolnir, higher will be the damage' (Posted by K3VIL)'

Mann i can appreciate what you are saying but i had the impression that Thor was going full out when he threw it. Saying he was holding back is such a lame excuse. It is used too much to explain inconsistency.

Sorry Dude this just doesn't make sense? :
And the magica lightning/energy which surrounds Mjolnir as a power level which is controlled by Thor too.

'Ultron is made of Adamantium, high quality of adamantium.
Ultron is powered by a nuclear reactor. (Posted byK3VIL)

I don't know for sure but there is a lady Ultron. She appeared early on in that comic. She fought the avengers aswell and did verry well. During the fight Vision transformed into his super dense form, where he weighs 90 tons. The female Ultron was forced to lift vision and she threw him at Thor. The comic made it quite clear that she was struggling to do this. Now i'm not a 100% sure but i got the impression that Ultron was simillar to this female version and there for has about the same strength. If so he can lift over 100 tons but just.

'Thor was the only one able to stay on his feet and fight him,'

I got the impression that Ultron was beating him quite convincingly.

'but Scarlet Witch powers have made Ultron's body and powers dozen times higher, '

Where did you get that figure from. It didn't mention it in the comic.

It's been proven over the years and even recently if you look in the right comics.

In what comics, Mann i want to know ?????????????

Check this.
GodForce VS Adamantium.
Altough Thor can't do this always cause it drains life force and power from his body, so he wasn't able to slay down Ultron in the previous scan, which is the end of the battle in Ultron Unlimited

Where did you get this info from
'yet according to the current writer of shulkie she is stronger than thor'

And dude i dont know where to put the real Ultron can you give me some hints:

Borderline Level:
Vision
Doctor Samson
Sandman
Rhino
Ultron (Biatch)
Goliath (Full height)
She Hulk (originally)
Ulik
War bird (After the absorption of a lot of energy)

Low Level:
Iron Man (Normal Armour)
Super Skrull
Current Juggernaught
Colossus
Thing
Current Sasquatch
Power Man
Ultimate Iron man
Wendigo
Abomination
Wonderman

Mid Level:
Hercules (Mortal Form)
Orca
Hulk Buster Iron man
Black Bolt
Thor (When holding back with the avengers)
Nimrod
Ultimate Thing
Tri Sentinel
Magini
Current She Hulk
Classic Juggernaught
Ultimate Colossus
Namor (refreshed by the water)

High Level:
Morg
Silver Surfer
Binary
Hyperion
Beta Ray Bill
Thanos
Gladiator
Thor (Classic) Full Power
Kurse with his 1st power up
Herc (Immortal Form)
Count Nefaria
Onslaught

Titan Level:
Morg with the Water of Life
Kurse Mega power up
Eighth Day Juggernaught
Mangog
Yimir
Drax (With the Gem)
Champion of the universe (With the Gem)
The Midgard Serpent

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Some of those arent right. Classic Jugs is above Mortal herc. And so is current She Hulk. And out of water Namor. And Iron Man Hulk buster armour more like it.

'Classic Jugs is above Mortal herc. And so is current She Hulk. And out of water Namor.'

Out of water Namor is too hard to gauge so he is not o the list. Both She hulk and Clasic Juggernaught ARE above Mortal Herc ????????

Dude now your just being picky:
'Iron Man Hulk buster armour more like it.'
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Mortal Hercules written as he was generally : weaker, less durable, less stamina. Yes Classic Jugs is above him. And so is a wet Namor.

Keep in mind that at Marvel Mortal Herc only started to get good showings in the late Thor volume by Jurgens when he wrote Herc has having near its full strengh again. Other than that the other good showings are Avengers #12 and thunderbolts #23 (or 22 ).

Thats really - low- if you think he was depowered for a decade. So no, standart Mortal Herc its not in the high leagues.

I'm begging you to never say "wet" namor again. 🙂

" showered " Namor then.

He never mind when they called him wet in comics 😠

'So no, standart Mortal Herc its not in the high leagues.'

Dude read the chart, he isn't !!!!!!!!!!!

He's right at the bottom of the Mid Level. Don't forget that the arm wrestle between Herc and She Hulk was close!!!!! Also i have always thought of him as being stronger than Wonderman, even when he was Mortal.

I mean in the Kang Wars him and Thor were doing more damage than anyone else on the battle field. (said by the Scarlet Centurion) and both them lasted longer than anyone else against the Exemplars. In both of these cases he was powered down. He even make reference to it in the exemplar one.
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'I'm begging you to never say "wet" namor again'

LOL

Hot steamy Namor then. OOoooooooooooHHHHHHHHHHH

'So no, standart Mortal Herc its not in the high leagues.'

Dude read the chart, he isn't !!!!!!!!!!!"

But Classic Juggernaut and out of water Namor are. Thats what i disagree with.

" and both them lasted longer than anyone else against the Exemplars. In both of these cases he was powered down. He even make reference to it in the exemplar one. "

Thats one of his good showings : Avengers #12. In the same year it happened his other good showings in Thor. Other than these ones and the Thunderbolts issue he has basically none. Not saying hes easy to beat even depowered but hes not up there.

She Hulk example its still blurry. He wasent sweating of it but she wasent either. And the fact she was wearing her jupiter suit to keep her strengh in a controlled lower level makes me think she is indeed leagues above.

'But Classic Juggernaut and out of water Namor are'

OK Namor out of water is not on the chart, i have said this already.

Classic Juggernaut doesn't get into the High level for two reasons. When ever he has fought those in the High level he has been dependent on his durability and not his strength. If this was a durability chart he would right at the top, but it isn't.

When it comes to feats of strength that are universally recognised E.G. lifting and moving heavy stuff, He is lacking. Ultimate Colossus is far superior in that department.

'She Hulk example its still blurry. He wasn't sweating of it but she wasn't either. And the fact she was wearing her Jupiter suit to keep her strengh in a controlled lower level makes me think she is indeed leagues above.'

I agree with you aswelland that is why she is near the top of the mid chart. I am willing to accept that she will probably make it into the High level, but due to a lack of feats she has been relegated.

There is a big difference between the bottom of a level and the Top. I seriously doubt that she has the strength to get into the high category. I mean accidental cosmic cube somed it up last night.

'Actually, She Hulk's strength increases exponentially when Jen works out. If Jen goes from lifting say 75 pounds (or whatever women generally lift) to lifting 95 pounds, She-Hulk could go from lifting 100 tons(or whatever her base is) to lifting 10,000,000 tons. She Hulk's strength increases when Jen Walter's strength increases.'

Just do the maths it doesn't make any sense. But that is the type of weight she would be have to be able to lift to make it into the High league.

"OK Namor out of water is not on the chart, i have said this already."

Then who is this " Namor (refreshed by the water) " that you have in the mid levels category?

"Classic Juggernaut doesn't get into the High level for two reasons. When ever he has fought those in the High level he has been dependent on his durability and not his strength."

Durability and strenght. Classic Thor punched him sometimes and he did the same. The guy has high level strengh. Its not above Thors but its in the same class, it cant be mid level. The same class of savage Hulk, Classic Thor and Immortal Hercules. Some are sligh better in strengh i agree but its the same class regardless.

And She Hulk seems to be above. If she stays or not like that its another thing. She was showed to be stronger than Mortal Herc, the one with good showings. How they did it and if it makes any sense its another subject.

'Then who is this " Namor (refreshed by the water) " that you have in the mid levels category?'

Namor in water.

LOL
Olympian useually you post good arguements and you debate well, but this is just pitafull

'Classic Thor punched him sometimes and he did the same. The guy has high level strengh. Its not above Thors but its in the same class, it cant be mid level.'

Just because they have taded blows against each other, it does not mean they are in the same league. The following have all traded blows with Thor and none are nearly as strong as him:

Ulik, Mr Hyde, Ultron, Wrecker, Namor (out of water), Iron man in his normal Armour

The Ultron example is the best. Although he is not nearly as strong as Thor he is far more durble. And as you can see from the scans from before, ultron held his own. Infact he looks as though he is gaining the upper hand. Now juggernaught is stronger and probably more durable than Ultron. No wonder he can trade blows with him.(Juggs I mean)

'She was showed to be stronger than Mortal Herc, the one with good showings. How they did it and that maths dont make any sense its aother story.'

Yes he has had good showings but he is still not nearly as strong as he was.

Yahman, I'm trying to stay calm, but you are really starting to upset me with your close-mindedness.

Okay, I'm going to clear up some things for you.

Classic Juggernaut--UBER FREAKIN SUPER STRONG. Okay? Yes, he was also incredibly durable, but he DID have HIGH-LEVEL to TITAN-LEVEL strength. There was nothing strength-wise that Classic Juggy could not do.

Get over it.

Blob is strong. But not that strong. He can probably lift a few tons. That's it. His power is that he can be immovable and his elastic-esque body. He is NOWHERE near class 100.

Nor Rhino for that matter. Nowhere near class 100. Maybe a few tons, too.

And for some reason, I doubt that Vision is as well.

She-Hulk is in the High Level as well, might even possibly be in the Titan Level honestly. Her strength has just been incredible lately. And, as someone said earlier, her strength grows EXPONENTIALLY with the strength of Jen. I just hope you understand what that means. That means that if she really wanted to, she could be more powerful than the Hulk before he reaches Savage Hulk. And even then, she could give him a run for his money. That's how strong she is.

Again, get over it.

I'd even go so far as to say put Thanos in the Titan Level as well.

And I'll be honest, I don't know every one of those characters, but these are just some of the ones I do know very well. When I think of some more things, I'll get back to you.

Just please stop denying what EVERYONE is telling you. You are not the #1 resource of strength information.

how do you figure bill is stronger than thor? how on earth is nefaria lumped in with these guys when he beat the crap out of thor AND everyone else (the avengers and the t-bolts) at the same time? ANY kurse has crushed thor. how did you figure that onslaught fits in there, or the er, midgard serpent? classic juggs and current shehulk are DEFINITELY stronger than you've given them credit for in this list. as is thanos. and you didn't even include hulk in the list! hmm, not the best list i've seen . . .

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Olympian useually you post good arguements and you debate well, but this is just pitafull"

Im not the one who did the chart. 😛

J"ust because they have taded blows against each other, it does not mean they are in the same league. The following have all traded blows with Thor and none are nearly as strong as him:"

Hanging against someone stronger is one thing. Trading blows -evenly- its another. And Juggernat always did that against either Hulk or Thor. Its actually simple. He cant be weaker.

"Ulik, Mr Hyde, Ultron, Wrecker, Namor (out of water), Iron man in his normal Armour"

Ulik and Namor are in his league. Namor only isent in the high strengh league if he`s out of the water for a long period of time.

Fresh out of water Namor= Classic Her, Thor, Jugs, hulk league.

Out of the water for some time= eventually gets weaker than each one above.

"Yes he has had good showings but he is still not nearly as strong as he was."

Thats what i said. Therefore he should be in one class and classic juggernaut and Namor in another above.

Another thing. Thanos is above the classic Hercules, Savage Hulk, Classic Thor, Gladiator, Classic Juggernaut and Silver Surfer class.

'Yahman, I'm trying to stay calm, but you are really starting to upset me with your bloodymindedness.

Okay, I'm going to clear up some things for you.

Classic Juggernaut--UBER FREAKING SUPER STRONG. Okay? Yes, he was also incredibly durable, but he DID have HIGH-LEVEL to TITAN-LEVEL strength. There was nothing strength's that Classic Juggy could not do.

Get over it.

Blob is strong. But not that strong. He can probably lift a few tons. That's it. His power is that he can be immovable and his elastic-esque body. He is NOWHERE near class 100.

'And for some reason, I doubt that Vision is as well.'

not the #1 resource of strength information.

LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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Dude don't stay calm cause you are making me laugh so much.

I'm close minded??????? Hardly anyone has put a decent argument to suggest that Juggernaut is in the High level List. They've just come out with the same crap as you.

The only one who has tried is 'Olympian'. His point was that Juggernaut had traded blows with Thor successfully. Which is a good point, but i pointed out to him that other foes have stayed with thor who are known to be less strong, but are more Durable. E.g. Ultron

Your argument on the other hand is pretty much this :

"Juggernaut is strong ummmm because he is!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ummmmmmmmmmm Ive been told he was strong and there for he is stronger than Thor, Herc, Namor and Ultimate Colossus. I know he hasn't done anything to validate this but he is. and to enhance my point i will say 'Get over It 'three times !!!!!!!!!"

Dude when you say things like 'Get over it' and then don't you even say anything that relevant or interesting then you sound like a moron.

'There was nothing strength's that Classic Juggy could not do.'

What evidence is there to back this bull shit up !!!!!!!!!!!! I've heard it before from Juggernaut fan boys but there is no evidence to suggest he can. If there is show it to me.

'not the #1 resource of strength information.'

No i never claimed this and i have already listened to some people's arguments and have changed there position accordingly. If they make a valid argument to change the characters position i will change it.

Let me emphasise the point that everyone in in the Mid class is really really strong. Dude they are lifting things like Skyscrapers, Ocean liners and Trains. Just because they have been labeled as Mid doesn't mean they are not strong. But the people in the high class can lift millions of tons. Namor is the only one who has demonstrated that he can lift stuff on this level. And that is why he is at the top of the mid class.

''And for some reason, I doubt that Vision is as well.'

Dude when in his super dense form he weighs over 90 tons. So i presume he can easily lift 100 tons as he has no problem moving about.

Yahman anyone can tell you that Classic Juggernaut own strengh is in the same level than Thor and the others. He never had a problem to fight evenly with him, or Hulk.

A guy who punches Hulk high and back its not on a league below. While Thor may be slight stronger or Hulk, its the same class of strenght. 100+ tons like Marvel likes to call it. Thats one of the reasons why none of those two have a slugfest win against Jugs. Mad strengh + durability its a hell to beat.

If anyone can show some scans of his fights against Hulk and Thor, be free to.

'how do you figure bill is stronger than thor? how on earth is nefaria lumped in with these guys when he beat the crap out of thor AND everyone else (the avengers and the t-bolts) at the same time? ANY kurse has crushed thor. how did you figure that onslaught fits in there, or the er, midgard serpent? classic juggs and current shehulk are DEFINITELY stronger than you've given them credit for in this list. as is thanos. and you didn't even include hulk in the list! hmm, not the best list i've seen . . .'

The reason hulk is ot in has already been explained. Go back and read.

Sorry Dude i dont know why i put BRB above Thor i will change that.

Nefaria is in that league because he maxed out afer lifting a mountain sized object, Thor, Herc, BRB have lifted things far over this. E.g. Matthattan, the Midgard serpent, part of JFK airport, Clossing fissures, destroying planetoid asteroids, moving the avengers Hydro base.

He beats the crap out of them because al,l of them put together are not as strong as these guys and Nefaia is serioulsy invunerable. I mean he was hit with a mountain destroying blast and it did nothing. Note that Thor and Herc were missing in that fight and Thor always holds back when he is fighting with the avengers.

Kurse was originally twice as strong as Thor (when he was first amped),and that is why his 2nd amp form is in the Titan level.

The Midgard Serpent is the size of the Earth and was shown to be far stronger than Thor.