Originally posted by PVS[QUOTE=4403635]Originally posted by PVS
i see it more as this:religious fanatacism doesnt make good people do bad things.
its takes away restraint and gives evil people an excuse to do evil things.SS: we were only following orders
Terrorists: we were only following the kurangranted, a kind of fever sweeps over people and twists their minds in an environment of extreme idealism, but i think its not that they were good to begin with, but that in a restrained environment they feel obligated to remain restrained. in america, im sickened to hear an opinion like "we should just nuke all those f***ing arabs", but that opinion is out there and in abundance.
i think to myself "what if it was up to them?" i dont think a good person would suggest this, but yet here they are, living among us. they are neighbors, coworkers, even family. what if the shit hit the fan at home and all restraint went out the window. would they be any better than a terrorist or nazi then? i dont think so. a great literary example would be 'lord of the flies'.take a racist. on his/her own, in an environment of restraint, i doubt that they would grab a rope and go out for a night of linching. however put them in a large group of people who feel the same hate, and they feed off of eachother.
the mob mentallity grows exponentially because there is no sense of wrongdoing (someone there to say "this is wrong"😉 and no sense of consequence (someone to say "im gonna report you to the authorities"😉.when all sense of restraint goes out the window, those who are not truly grounded in moral values easily go mad. we see this in war in other nations and we see this in incidents at home. whether it be a group of kids killing a homeless person or a soldier raping a civilian.
unfortunately, it leads to generalisation, because the actions of a few speak far louder than the feelings of remorse from the majority who find such action to be horrible. so in the end, everybody is screwed.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As already stated by PVS and Milla more or less, you've gotta feel sorry for those peacefully following their religion who relentlessly condemn the actions of terrorists. These people are gonna get backlash for any horrific deed committed by their religious alikes.Sad really. I know a couple of Christians (yeah, just a couple haha) who are great people. When an insane Christian goes bombing someone (Bush for example) in the name of God, they tend to take the standpoint of "Well where are you getting all this? Because I'm sure God doesn't give that kind of order."
I believe Christianity/Catholicism is a ludicrous belief anyway, but if people wanna follow it, fine. As goes with any religion.
As Milla said (and I agree), people mostly already have these ideas of mass genocide or terrorism, they just use the ideology as a plead insanity card. I think everyone has a right to believe what they want. If you believe I should be killed because I live, look or act a certain way, fine. I'll debate it to the death, but fine. It's when those beliefs are acted upon that it becomes trouble.
I'm sure there are loads of people in these terrorist groups or communities that think the same way, yet have never killed a soul.
If you believe westerners should die, but never act on it or influence others to, can't say I have too much of a problem with that. I think of many people I'd enjoy murdering, I'm entitled to. As long as I don't act on it or influence someone to, I'm not doing anything wrong.
It's when beliefs cross over into drastic action, that problems arise.
Clearly.
Apologies if that's all been said, just chipping in.
-AC
There are also plenty of potentially destructive urges and drives that don't involve any specific, targeted hatred or ideal, and they are harmless as long as the individual chooses not to act on it. These are the basic reasons for socialization in the first place, and many societies still discourage the discussion or acknowledgment of the drives of violence, sex, etc. More people should realize that not only is it okay to think about such things, but that people should be encouraged to act on these urges in a controlled environment, either in a form that is constructive (sublimation) or just harmless. Violent entertainment is believed by some to relieve aggression, and it's pretty commonly believed that masturbation and whatever other solo sexual activities one might engage in relieve sexual urges temporarily. The continuing instruction repress such urges and keep them bottled up is destructive to individuals and society at large, because it leaves people unprepared to deal with their urges and liable to let it out in unexpected and harmful ways.
People often claim that education is the key to eliminating racism and intolerance for other cultures. This is only partially true, if at all. Aggression and the need to dominate are a natural part of the human psyche. Racism, sexism, homophobia, nationalism, etc. are generally just excuses to focus that aggression. Tribalism exists on every conceivable level. People get into fist fights merely because they favor different sports teams; people get into heated arguments (not arguments so much as insult-fests) based on their preference for one movie, TV show, video game platform, etc. over another; children tease other children for the slightest perceivable difference. The drive for this is never going to change. All we can do is educate people in such a way as to discount the influence of illogical and ultimately destructive institutions such as religion, oppressive government, and misplaced blame, and also to allow people to relieve their natural urges in harmless or constructive ways.
Anyone still readin'? 😕
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As already stated by PVS and Milla more or less, you've gotta feel sorry for those peacefully following their religion who relentlessly condemn the actions of terrorists. These people are gonna get backlash for any horrific deed committed by their religious alikes.Sad really. I know a couple of Christians (yeah, just a couple haha) who are great people. When an insane Christian goes bombing someone (Bush for example) in the name of God, they tend to take the standpoint of "Well where are you getting all this? Because I'm sure God doesn't give that kind of order."
I believe Christianity/Catholicism is a ludicrous belief anyway, but if people wanna follow it, fine. As goes with any religion.
As Milla said (and I agree), people mostly already have these ideas of mass genocide or terrorism, they just use the ideology as a plead insanity card. I think everyone has a right to believe what they want. If you believe I should be killed because I live, look or act a certain way, fine. I'll debate it to the death, but fine. It's when those beliefs are acted upon that it becomes trouble.
I'm sure there are loads of people in these terrorist groups or communities that think the same way, yet have never killed a soul.
If you believe westerners should die, but never act on it or influence others to, can't say I have too much of a problem with that. I think of many people I'd enjoy murdering, I'm entitled to. As long as I don't act on it or influence someone to, I'm not doing anything wrong.
It's when beliefs cross over into drastic action, that problems arise.
Clearly.
Apologies if that's all been said, just chipping in.
-AC
yes alpha. it has been horrible for me, i study in usa right now. i am doing high school, i am a muslim.. and sometimes people think that i am a terrorist myself. the bombings in london were tragic, but i cant do more than just say that these people are terrorist and they are self-proclaimed muslims.. islam doesnt say that killing an infidel sends a muslim directly to heaven, it is the illiterate people in muslim countries that suit the religion for themselves and try to misguide people into thinking that who ever is not a muslim deserves to die. its just a pity we cant stop these people, they are crazy in the head and they think what they are doing is justified. when it surely isnt.
saying that.. there is terrorism in all areas. muslim fanatics are not the only ones. i have to say that sometimes the media is biased and that it doesnt look at the other picture. for example, the crisis in the middle east. the ongoing heat between israel and palestine. channels like cnn and ESPECIALLY FOX NEWS, report only that a suicide bomber from palestine kills israelis.. what they dont report is WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS? WHY ARE THEY REPEATEDLY AMBUSHING ISRAELIS LIKE THIS? what is the story behind all this. i still stick to my facts that jerusalem was muslim's territory for 800 years before the UNITED NATIONS gave that territory to ISrael. i think that is totally unfair, they should have worked out something that could be worked upon by both countries. since it is a holy land for both religions.. anyways i went a bit off topic there but u get my point
no, the terrorists don't have nuclear weapons so they use cheap firecrackers against u.s troops. Bottle rockets only cost $3.00they have propelled grenades, they "terrorist" are pretty darn well armed , and a mountain of explosives.
Originally posted by maham
i m a muslim n 2 me all that terrorism comes frm the human mind rather than any religionif a person goes 2 the extremes of a religion then it's his fault not the religion's he just got the wrong meanin of it all mayb
Yes, we have lots of Muslims where I live too.....sorry you're judged...
People are always judging others.
Mexicans = lazy
Jews=run everything and rich..(well, they are rich here, got them too)
blacks=on welfare
Chinese=good restaurants (well they do)
Arabs=own gas stations and party stores, angry (well many do here)
English=snobby....don't know although
Italians=good cooks(hmmmmmm, well that's true), but fat.....NO
Norwegians=couch potatoes, and go to pubs (don't knno of any)
Swedes=blond dummies, but bomb shells (don't know any)
Lithuanians=throw salt shakers...angry, my dad say this when eating a donut.....
Bosnians= throw salt shakers to..angry....my dad was eating a donut when he say this....hehe
(the list can go on and on
Originally posted by alic88
yes alpha. it has been horrible for me, i study in usa right now. i am doing high school, i am a muslim.. and sometimes people think that i am a terrorist myself. the bombings in london were tragic, but i cant do more than just say that these people are terrorist and they are self-proclaimed muslims.. islam doesnt say that killing an infidel sends a muslim directly to heaven, it is the illiterate people in muslim countries that suit the religion for themselves and try to misguide people into thinking that who ever is not a muslim deserves to die. its just a pity we cant stop these people, they are crazy in the head and they think what they are doing is justified. when it surely isnt.
saying that.. there is terrorism in all areas. muslim fanatics are not the only ones. i have to say that sometimes the media is biased and that it doesnt look at the other picture. for example, the crisis in the middle east. the ongoing heat between israel and palestine. channels like cnn and ESPECIALLY FOX NEWS, report only that a suicide bomber from palestine kills israelis.. what they dont report is WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS? WHY ARE THEY REPEATEDLY AMBUSHING ISRAELIS LIKE THIS? what is the story behind all this. i still stick to my facts that jerusalem was muslim's territory for 800 years before the UNITED NATIONS gave that territory to ISrael. i think that is totally unfair, they should have worked out something that could be worked upon by both countries. since it is a holy land for both religions.. anyways i went a bit off topic there but u get my point
exactly!
Right on that is true what he said am here in US of A studying my junior year and some kids thought i was a terrorist (some still think i am)...what cuz am Muslim that's it am a terrorist...cuz you think most of the terrorists are Muslims?...i didn't mind the questions they asked me like "Do you kill for a living?","Do you carry a gun where ever you go?","Do you like killing ppl?"...hello if i am a terrorist(and i wouldn't want to be one) and if i wer wouldn't i be on TV right now???...and it is true i for one HATE terrorist even if they wer Muslims they think what they are doing is right and they think they will go to heaven for what they did but if you ask them that if they pray 5 times a day he/she would be like pray *gasp* umm yeah sometimes...my point is no don't think that cuz their are to many Muslim terrorists every Muslim is...it is just sad to think about it you know...