Clarifications on Class 100 Strenght meant

The confusion about the strenght levels of characters in various topics lead me to do this.

Class 100 Strenght
It means, the character can lift at least or at max 100 Tons.
Pick up Maestro Hulk for example.
He has a base level strenght which grants him to lift 200 tons, without being mad or enraged.
It means he possess Class 100 Strenght, altough, of a low level, compared to that of powerhouses like Gladiator, Thor, Hercules, Namor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Genis Vell.
Those characters starts out with being able to lift huge weights.
Gladiator has a strenght which grants him to destroy planets with his bare hands or lift the FF4 building.
Thor can lift huge buildings too, smash asteroids, or even lift a part of the Jormungand Serpent.
Hercules was able to lift Manhattan.
Namor lifted submarines and huge ships.
Superman has moved Warworld, and lifted huge starships.
Captain Marvel has strenght of Superman's magnitude altough I don't know feats of strenght he has showed in terms of lifting or pushing, altough he K.O.ed the Man Of Steel with two fists.
WW can throw down with CM or Supes too, and has lifted a huge starship of city size.
Genis Vell was able to beat down King Thor with both physical and energy attacks, but here we are talking of physical force.Genis has throw down with Maestro Hulk, who was getting considerable pissed off, and showed his own.

Now, the guys mentioned above are ranked like this:

Incalculable Rank Class 100 Strenght Possessors:
Here are those who possess powers which grant them to reach strenght levels potentially unlimited, or who possess a strenght who hasn't showed actually a limit.
Gladiator, Hulk, Magni(Son of Thor), Thanos, Tyrant, Morg any GL with sufficient will power, Juggernaut, in order of feats: Trion version, 8th Day Version, Classical Version, Drax with power gem, Ravage, Odin, Zeus.
(THE CHARACTERS ARE NOT LISTED FOR LEVEL OF STRENGHT)

High Rank Class 100 Strenght Possessors:
Here are those who can lift huge weights of even hundred thousands of tons or more:
Thor, Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Hercules in half-god version, Namor in water or very recently exited from water, Count Nefaria full power, Drax without pg, Maxam, Wonder Man.
(THE CHARACTERS ARE NOT LISTED FOR LEVEL OF STRENGHT)

Mid Rank Class 100 Strenght Possessors:
Here are those who can lift not hundred thousands of tons but "just" thousands of tons.
She-Hulk, Namor outta water from not dangerous time period.

Low Rank Class 100 Strenght Possessors:
Here are those who can lift weights that don't reach the 1000 tons of weight.
Colossus, Abomination, Spikey Thing, Iron Man powered by sufficient energy source, Namor outta water from considerable time period, Hulk with in a low level of rage.

Under Class 100 Strenght Possessors:
THING, Namor outta water from prolonged period, Wonder Man, Hulk in a totally calm state, Grey Hulk.

excellent post

not all class 100 are created equal

Exactly theyr all in the same class but some are lower in that class and others are higher. And all have a chance to go toe to toe to others in that very same class.

Very good, K3.

ahhhmmmmmm superman and wonder woman should be up there with the incalculable class 100

supes moved warworld for petes sakes

and ww stopped asmodels chariot from falling onto earth. and the touch of it made her burn.

they are definitely up there

"supes moved warworld for petes sakes"

Regular Supes or Sundiped?

"and ww stopped asmodels chariot from falling onto earth. and the touch of it made her burn."

Out of exceptional ones she doesnt have regular feats of that level to be incalculable.

In the end they would never be in the same level of the class than Zeus and the like. My opinion.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
ahhhmmmmmm superman and wonder woman should be up there with the incalculable class 100

supes moved warworld for petes sakes

and ww stopped asmodels chariot from falling onto earth. and the touch of it made her burn.

they are definitely up there

So where does that leave the likes of Genis, Quasar, Surfer etc...I know Surfer can augment his Strength through the power cosmic, but to what limit? And as for Genis in the Marvel Directory it says he can only lift about 15 tons, now im guessing he can also augment that using the Nega Bands, but again to what limit?

Originally posted by K3VIL
Odin or Zeus can do the same tapping in Odin Force and Olympian power, they can even do things above that.
Superman has a limit, high but it's there.
Thor lifted a part of Jormungand which weight is sayed to be unlimited, but I insert him in High Rank section cause lifting a part means he's around Supes and the others league, but not above, not above.
WW has some great feats but it doesn't mean she has no strenght limits.

What would happen if someone with unlimited strength were to try and lift something with unlimited weight?

On a planet that's indestructible?

"What would happen if someone with unlimited strength were to try and lift something with unlimited weight?"

Thats the very essence of the cosmic truth 😉

"So where does that leave the likes of Genis, Quasar, Surfer etc...I know Surfer can augment his Strength through the power cosmic, but to what limit?"

Below skyfathers like Zeus and odin.

superman can also augnment his strength. w/o sundipping (although that helps)

if supes doesnt belong in that category, neither does gladiator

Supes without Sundipped doesnt usually augments his strenght. And surely not for the levels above.

as far as i could tell supes has no real upper limit. especially in the sun.

Originally posted by olympian
"What would happen if someone with unlimited strength were to try and lift something with unlimited weight?"

Thats the very essence of the cosmic truth 😉

"So where does that leave the likes of Genis, Quasar, Surfer etc...I know Surfer can augment his Strength through the power cosmic, but to what limit?"

Below skyfathers like Zeus and odin.

Thanx... but then why does Marvel Directory say that Genis can only lift 15 tons (I know the Directory is very innacurrate, but thats a huge jump from 15 tons to incaculable god like strength.)

that list isn't bad. i disagree with glads though. he shouldn't be above thor. he has said himself that thor is his equal in strength. (ff #339) count nefaria has always shown himself to be far stronger than thor. abomination would be higher than he is ranked - takes hulk getting pretty pissed to take him out. (abomination almost KILLED hulk recently until hulk got really pissed)

it also doesn't make sense including cosmics in the list. tyrant? odin? zeus? they're too powerful to use physical might anyway, so why bother trying to put them on a list?

Silver Surfer is a cosmic and ive seen him use Physical force, but yea your right they usually stay away from engaging in physical force.

There is no actual 'class' system, it was created by people who were trying to categorize character's strength into brackets. On that note, we have no idea if Thor could lift 100 tons, or maybe just 97, or maybe he's having a bad day and he can only lift 90, maybe he got lucky, and he's feeling great and lifts 110.

Class 100 is meant to label a character as being able to lift (press) an amount of weight equal to, or greater than, something in the 100 tons range. 100 tons is two hundered thousand (200,000) pounds.

That being said, you classification system is useless. Writers have no sense of weight, characters like Superman have shown the ability to move planets in some writers, and I've seen him have trouble breaking metals before. A classification system is useless when no writer is always on a character. A character like Azrael for example, had the same writer for 100 issues. At no point in the series did his power fluxtuate without explanation, whereas if you read all of Wolverine's comics, his healing factor, speed and strength all range greatly based on the writer and the situation. This isn't bad writing, rather, it's just one writer's ideas compared to another. You may agree with one writer and not another, but someone else might feel the opposite way. Generally, a character's abilities are best gauged when displayed in their original story with their creator. Deadpool, for example, was much different, mentally and physically, with Liefield and Nicieza writing him then someone like, Priest, or Hardling.

If you MUST classify someone, it has to be EXTREMELY precise, or EXTREMELY vague, such as Marvel's current system. Ranking from 1-7 is really, really bad for comparing characters, whereas if you use the superhero rpg game (www.classicmarvel.com) their gaming system is much more complex, yet accurate. The strength class system is, in theory, very good, except that class 100 is an extremely vague point in an otherwise precise system. 'Class 100' characters regularly do things above and beyond their 'normal' strength, unlike characters like, say Daredevil, who may have had an instance or two where he displayed superhuman strength, while we all know he does not have this. Hulk, in Secret War, held up an entire mountain while calm, Wolverine, in Venom's monthly, took a direct hit from a very powerful missile, events like these are why classification is difficult and often inaccurate.

Sorry K3vil, you worked awful hard to do this, but it was all sort of a waste. If you REALLY want to do a good 'class 100' system, build a list of a characters USUAL strength levels, compared to some of their highest and lowest showings, to give a general range of their strength.

good post, nak. i agree completely.

Yeah I use Classic Marvel's 'Universal Table' as well...it's extremely accurate, that's why I really don't buy much of what GS says about the power of the Phoenix...cause they only have the Phoenix Force rated as a Class 1000 in all aspects of power, (with the exceptions of Flight and Gateway, which are 3000 and 5000).

Of course if GS is right, that means they have some updating to do.

Originally posted by olympian
"What would happen if someone with unlimited strength were to try and lift something with unlimited weight?"

Thats the very essence of the cosmic truth 😉

"So where does that leave the likes of Genis, Quasar, Surfer etc...I know Surfer can augment his Strength through the power cosmic, but to what limit?"

Below skyfathers like Zeus and odin.

From Solidus Snake

superman can also augnment his strength. w/o sundipping (although that helps)

if supes doesnt belong in that category, neither does gladiator

Gladiator fought Ego, and with success.
Thanos sayed his powers dwarf his own.
Thanos his above Superman, and so his a full confident Gladiator, his powers comes from his psicokinetic ability to enhance his abilities to the level he need.

Originally posted by leonidas
that list isn't bad. i disagree with glads though. he shouldn't be above thor. he has said himself that thor is his equal in strength. (ff #339) count nefaria has always shown himself to be far stronger than thor. abomination would be higher than he is ranked - takes hulk getting pretty pissed to take him out. (abomination almost KILLED hulk recently until hulk got really pissed)

it also doesn't make sense including cosmics in the list. tyrant? odin? zeus? they're too powerful to use physical might anyway, so why bother trying to put them on a list?

Nataku your post is useless cause the number ranking of Marvel isn't more accurate than the Class ranking.
People can have a more decent idea of the strenght of characters with the class system that with a number system.
If Thor has a 7 and so has Gladiator are they equal?No.
Is Hulk equal to them?No, he can surpass Thor, and match Glad.
Namor has a 6, Thing as a 6, to made an example, are they equal?No.

Originally posted by Lord S
Yeah I use Classic Marvel's 'Universal Table' as well...it's extremely accurate, that's why I really don't buy much of what GS says about the power of the Phoenix...cause they only have the Phoenix Force rated as a Class 1000 in all aspects of power, (with the exceptions of Flight and Gateway, which are 3000 and 5000).

Of course if GS is right, that means they have some updating to do.