Originally posted by Solidus Snake
ahhhmmmmmm superman and wonder woman should be up there with the incalculable class 100supes moved warworld for petes sakes
and ww stopped asmodels chariot from falling onto earth. and the touch of it made her burn.
they are definitely up there
also,i see Wonder Man on 2 lists,why?..and i think Nefaria should be in the top class..just ask the Avengers....lol
What I personally like about K3VIL's clarification is that it Does attempt some precision, which I don't think should necessarily be avoided just because writers are not consistent. In that vein, while this inconsistency may not be "bad" writing, per se, it does represent IMO either lazy research on a character or a who-cares-I'm-gonna-do-what-I-want attitude on the part of writers, especially when one-upmanship enters the competitive-market fray.
Of course, what writers do--for better or worse--is the "reality" behind comic-book characters; in this regard, Fishy 500's approach is more "realistic."
Well, allow me to complicate matters by suggesting there may have to be Specific Strength Systems: one which reflects a character's usual or defined level, and one which reflects their peak/under-stress level; one which reflects what the writers show, one which reflects Our understanding of what a character should be able to do. Perhaps there is a ways of integrating some/all of this into a single system.
Originally posted by Mindship
What I personally like about K3VIL's clarification is that it Does attempt some precision, which I don't think should necessarily be avoided just because writers are not consistent. In that vein, while this inconsistency may not be "bad" writing, per se, it does represent IMO either lazy research on a character or a who-cares-I'm-gonna-do-what-I-want attitude on the part of writers, especially when one-upmanship enters the competitive-market fray.Of course, what writers do--for better or worse--is the "reality" behind comic-book characters; in this regard, Fishy 500's approach is more "realistic."
Well, allow me to complicate matters by suggesting there may have to be Specific Strength Systems: one which reflects a character's usual or defined level, and one which reflects their peak/under-stress level; one which reflects what the writers show, one which reflects Our understanding of what a character should be able to do. Perhaps there is a ways of integrating some/all of this into a single system.
Dude don't call me Fishy ... its weird, I would prefer to be referred to as the artist formerly known as Yahman, or just Yahman. NE way my system has a subtle numerical levels associated with it. These can be used as a guildline for writers.
For example Level 6 compares characters to modern age lifting devices. The strongest one i ve heard of can lift jut under a kilo ton. Level 7 compares characters to the most power machines. The strongest one I've heard of is in the region of 100 kilo tons. They are no more than guild lines though. If the writers want to make characters stronger/weaker than these bases they are free to do so. 🙂
Originally posted by Fishy 500
Dude don't call me Fishy ... its weird, I would prefer to be referred to as the artist formerly known as Yahman, or just Yahman.
A.F.K.A.Y., I was just being respectful. After all, you did choose the name. confused1
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"NE way my system has a subtle numerical levels associated with it. These can be used as a guildline for writers.
For example Level 6 compares characters to modern age lifting devices. The strongest one i ve heard of can lift jut under a kilo ton. Level 7 compares characters to the most power machines. The strongest one I've heard of is in the region of 100 kilo tons. They are no more than guild lines though. If the writers want to make characters stronger/weaker than these bases they are free to do so."
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K3VIL's approach also shows flexibility but is a little more tangible. Not all KMCers know what today's biggest cranes can hoist.
As for what the writers will go by: I say submit it to Marvel, it is a good system, the worst they can tell ya is No thanks. But what a feather in your cap it would be if they said Yes! clapping
Originally posted by Mindship
A.F.K.A.Y., I was just being respectful. After all, you did choose the name. confused1
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"NE way my system has a subtle numerical levels associated with it. These can be used as a guildline for writers.
For example Level 6 compares characters to modern age lifting devices. The strongest one i ve heard of can lift jut under a kilo ton. Level 7 compares characters to the most power machines. The strongest one I've heard of is in the region of 100 kilo tons. They are no more than guild lines though. If the writers want to make characters stronger/weaker than these bases they are free to do so."
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K3VIL's approach also shows flexibility but is a little more tangible. Not all KMCers know what today's biggest cranes can hoist.As for what the writers will go by: I say submit it to Marvel, it is a good system, the worst they can tell ya is No thanks. But what a feather in your cap it would be if they said Yes! clapping
Mate i really appreciate that ! (it brings tears to my eyes) but its not going to happen! 🙁
Kevil's is pretty good. I didn't realise at the time, but its very similar to the boundaries i have used !
Mindsip, i want you to create your own DIY one ! Its only fair, your stuff on reflexes is great (far better than my speed one) !
Originally posted by Fishy 500
Mate i really appreciate that ! (it brings tears to my eyes) but its not going to happen! 🙁Mindsip, i want you to create your own DIY one ! Its only fair, your stuff on reflexes is great (far better than my speed one) !
Listen, I know what it's like to get letters of rejection...hurts like hell. Often I've called it, The Little Death. On the other hand, when someone says, "We like this," you feel like, well, you got a touch of Phoenix Force running through you.
"...it's not going to happen!" Why not? Don't close out the option (unless you've plaigarized 😉 or you're in a Witness Protection Program disguise). Just roll the idea round in your head for a while.
My own DIY? First of all (pardon my ignorance), what is a "DIY"? If you mean a strength system, I say again: yours, and K3vil's, are tough acts to follow. But to be fair, I will give it some thought.
Originally posted by Mindship
Listen, I know what it's like to get letters of rejection...hurts like hell. Often I've called it, The Little Death. On the other hand, when someone says, "We like this," you feel like, well, you got a touch of Phoenix Force running through you."...it's not going to happen!" Why not? Don't close out the option (unless you've plaigarized 😉 or you're in a Witness Protection Program disguise). Just roll the idea round in your head for a while.
My own DIY? First of all (pardon my ignorance), what is a "DIY"? If you mean a strength system, I say again: yours, and K3vil's, are tough acts to follow. But to be fair, I will give it some thought.
DIY = Do it yourself ... its a term we use a lot in england !
Originally posted by K3VIL
Genis absorb photonic energy and other kinds of energy through nega-bands and he can absorb on his own solar energy, he has mastered his powers, he walked on King Thor, no reason why he should lose to Odin or Zeus, maybe he can stalemate them.
Quasar stalemated with Silver Surfer, I think it say all.
Dude i posted scans of Genis "beating" King Thor. I proved wrong, go ask armadovalles.
ive used this example so much i feel like the cows are on their way home😄...but to show you that 100 tons means absolutley nothing, the heaviest tank in the US army weighs 78 tons...throw 3 or 4 humvees on top of that and you have 100tons right there, both recently and back in the day we've seen superman lift a cruise ship, and and oil tanker ship respectively: when lex luthor was trying to guage his strentgh, and get him to work for him by settin up a fake terrorist attack on his cruise liner, plus recently when eclipso possessed him and he picked up that oil tanker and tossed it at captain marvel like it was nothing, who caught it BTW. plus we've seen superman lending his strength to move the freakin moon out of orbit
even in marvel the type of smashing and lifting we've seen hulk and thing and juggernaut and all those guys lift far out strips that of a tank..we've seen Namor lift things that are significantly heavier than a tank. so not unless 100tons is some super holy Grail as far as marvel is concerned but if you wanna translate it to the real world weights its nothing at all
Originally posted by manjaro
ive used this example so much i feel like the cows are on their way home😄...but to show you that 100 tons means absolutley nothing, the heaviest tank in the US army weighs 78 tons...throw 3 or 4 humvees on top of that and you have 100tons right there, both recently and back in the day we've seen superman lift a cruise ship, and and oil tanker ship respectively: when lex luthor was trying to guage his strentgh, and get him to work for him by settin up a fake terrorist attack on his cruise liner, plus recently when eclipso possessed him and he picked up that oil tanker and tossed it at captain marvel like it was nothing, who caught it BTW. plus we've seen superman lending his strength to move the freakin moon out of orbiteven in marvel the type of smashing and lifting we've seen hulk and thing and juggernaut and all those guys lift far out strips that of a tank..we've seen Namor lift things that are significantly heavier than a tank. so not unless 100tons is some super holy Grail as far as marvel is concerned but if you wanna translate it to the real world weights its nothing at all
Agreed ! Marvel Superhumn strength isn't that 'super', usually !