I liked DA and Norman under him, actually. But Disassembled/HoM gave us the madness that is the Wanda Fanbase not to mention he trashed everything I liked about the Avengers and reverted them to this street/meta level team when they should be the top tier team in Marvel. Siege was..well.
It was phucking terrible. I firmly believe that event could have been so much better and as a result, so could have Sentry.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankWhat is it about the Sentry you found so dissatisfying under bendis' pen ?
I liked DA and Norman under him, actually. But Disassembled/HoM gave us the madness that is the Wanda Fanbase not to mention he trashed everything I liked about the Avengers and reverted them to this street/meta level team when they should be the top tier team in Marvel. Siege was..well.It was phucking terrible. I firmly believe that event could have been so much better and as a result, so could have Sentry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What is it about the Sentry you found so dissatisfying under bendis' pen ?
The fact that Bendis didn't seem to know what to do with the guy. Hell, I pin that more on Marvel itself than him. Sentry was just a bad concept for Marvel all the way around, at least in the mainstream universe. Jenkins should have had his mini and left it at that instead of trying to force this character into canon. Introducing him as a new character would have been infinitely better than basically forcing him into decades worth of canon and propping him up as "Marvel's Superman". Considering a vast majority, at least here, of people who really like Sentry despise or don't care for Superman for pretty much the same reasons they like Sentry, which, to me, strikes me as odd.
Bendis has done far more than Sentry/Siege to gain my ire, though. He is wildly erratic and inconsistent and says one thing only to turn around and say something completely different. His strong suit is Daredevil, Ult. Spider-Man, and keeping things mostly street level.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI thought bendis handled him like a pure plot device like so many have handled Thor's hammer. I do agree he didn't really think through the ramifications of Sentry's actions and the ripple effect it would create but I feel he still kept the same status quo jenkins did when the Void appears. it the Void doesn't decide to go away on his own he beats earth into submission.
The fact that Bendis didn't seem to know what to do with the guy. Hell, I pin that more on Marvel itself than him. Sentry was just a bad concept for Marvel all the way around, at least in the mainstream universe. Jenkins should have had his mini and left it at that instead of trying to force this character into canon. Introducing him as a new character would have been infinitely better than basically forcing him into decades worth of canon and propping him up as "Marvel's Superman". Considering a vast majority, at least here, of people who really like Sentry despise or don't care for Superman for pretty much the same reasons they like Sentry, which, to me, strikes me as odd.Bendis has done far more than Sentry/Siege to gain my ire, though. He is wildly erratic and inconsistent and says one thing only to turn around and say something completely different. His strong suit is Daredevil, Ult. Spider-Man, and keeping things mostly street level.
I liked the schizophrenia, the dual nature of him, the look, art was really good in dark avengers, and he is a complete opposite to Superman. Marvel took their superman and turned it on it's head which is why i see so many really hate him as they just plugged him in and marvelites had already chosen Thor/Hulk etc.
Most wanted to just be rid of him. I like him being gone for now anyways. Less is better. I would never want him to reach 1/4 the popularity as the Hulk. He'd get whored out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I thought bendis handled him like a pure plot device like so many have handled Thor's hammer. I do agree he didn't really think through the ramifications of Sentry's actions and the ripple effect it would create but I feel he still kept the same status quo jenkins did when the Void appears. it the Void doesn't decide to go away on his own he beats earth into submission.I liked the schizophrenia, the dual nature of him, the look, art was really good in dark avengers, and he is a complete opposite to Superman. Marvel took their superman and turned it on it's head which is why i see so many really hate him as they just plugged him in and marvelites had already chosen Thor/Hulk etc.
Most wanted to just be rid of him. I like him being gone for now anyways. Less is better. I would never want him to reach 1/4 the popularity as the Hulk. He'd get whored out.
I think someone like Morrison or even Geoff Johns would have handled Sentry better. Or Brubaker or Fraction or DnA. I just think Bendis has a tougher time dealing with truly Avengers worthy threats and stories. His current IG arc is just...WTF. Hood wanking: the sequel. Jenkins' Sentry was ok until it crossed over to the mainstream. His one-shot, Fallen Sun...Man, that was one of the most glorified character wanking I've ever seen. Sentry having relationships with Rogue? Sentry being more pure hearted than Ben Grimm? Everyone mourning him as a hero better than all of them? It was obviously intended to serve as a "F U" to the Sentry detractors.
Bendis tends to have a penchant for really mischaracterizing mental illness, though. See Wanda for instance. He doesn't really do his research outside of "they're crazy", which is why I'm nervous about him on Moon Knight.
I'm glad he's gone, too. I don't think there's really a place in Marvel for him, tbh.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI'd trust everyone you named save Morrison. Not reading the current ig arc at all. Seems terrible from what I've heard but then again you never know until you read something or attempt to anyways.
I think someone like Morrison or even Geoff Johns would have handled Sentry better. Or Brubaker or Fraction or DnA. I just think Bendis has a tougher time dealing with truly Avengers worthy threats and stories. His current IG arc is just...WTF. Hood wanking: the sequel. Jenkins' Sentry was ok until it crossed over to the mainstream. His one-shot, Fallen Sun...Man, that was one of the most glorified character wanking I've ever seen. Sentry having relationships with Rogue? Sentry being more pure hearted than Ben Grimm? Everyone mourning him as a hero better than all of them? It was obviously intended to serve as a "F U" to the Sentry detractors.Bendis tends to have a penchant for really mischaracterizing mental illness, though. See Wanda for instance. He doesn't really do his research outside of "they're crazy", which is why I'm nervous about him on Moon Knight.
I'm glad he's gone, too. I don't think there's really a place in Marvel for him, tbh.
Sentry was as pure hearted as can be though but the dark side/Void was also the most evil you could be. I really hope it was an f u to sentry detractors.
I think this happens often with physics or anything writers just try to wing it. Either way I was happy overall with where it went. Could it have been better, certainly....could it have been worse, certainly.
I'm sure with time he will come back but we haven't seen genis back so who knows. I am content with his showings and history if he stays dead.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd trust everyone you named save Morrison. Not reading the current ig arc at all. Seems terrible from what I've heard but then again you never know until you read something or attempt to anyways.Sentry was as pure hearted as can be though but the dark side/Void was also the most evil you could be. I really hope it was an f u to sentry detractors.
I think this happens often with physics or anything writers just try to wing it. Either way I was happy overall with where it went. Could it have been better, certainly....could it have been worse, certainly.
I'm sure with time he will come back but we haven't seen genis back so who knows. I am content with his showings and history if he stays dead.
Morrison's take on Sentry would probably make me want to go out and take a bunch of acid or something, tbh. But yeah, the current Avengers arc is just...really unworthy of the title. On paper, it would be a HUGE event, especially if handled by Busiek and Perez. But as it is, it's just some kind of whacky trip.
I have an issue of trying to downplay other characters to make one character look good. It's a cheap writing ploy, and a lot of writers are guilty of it. Trying to paint Ben as this less than noble guy (albeit with his own faults) to paint Sentry as being more in the moral right than him is ridiculous. The Rogue thing was just completely unneeded and used as a cheap "Sentry is cool" moment.
Fair enough.
He'll probably be back, but hopefully under someone different from Jenkins or Bendis.
Morrison is hands down better than anyone Marvel has employed in decades. Hell, he might be the only writer who could have saved Sentry as a character.
Johns, I think, would not have wanted to write him if he could help it. It's really more Grant's kind of project. Johns might have done something interesting, but I think he's the kind of guy who would be needed at the beginning of the character, someone who would build him up properly. Bringing him in mid-way? I'm not sure how he could fixed him.
Strange got many, MANY upgrades since his fight with Loki... he would wipe the floor with him now.
1st: Got better equipment, including all-imporant eye of aggamoto.
2nd: Ancient One gifted him with increased powers during fight with Zom.
3rd: Became Sorcerer Supreme and was bumped way, way up in power.
4th: Passed 1st trial of Sorcerer Supreme and gained immortality for many situations.
5th: Learned black magic.
and i'm sure there are more besides that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI think Bendis's problem is superhumans in general. He kind of works their powers in the way that he perceives would be most awesome at the moment but ends up either ridiculously overpowering them or missing the point of their characters completely at times. His stories are interesting and relatively well written but not when he has to apply established characters to them who really had no business doing what they were doing.
The fact that Bendis didn't seem to know what to do with the guy. Hell, I pin that more on Marvel itself than him. Sentry was just a bad concept for Marvel all the way around, at least in the mainstream universe. Jenkins should have had his mini and left it at that instead of trying to force this character into canon. Introducing him as a new character would have been infinitely better than basically forcing him into decades worth of canon and propping him up as "Marvel's Superman". Considering a vast majority, at least here, of people who really like Sentry despise or don't care for Superman for pretty much the same reasons they like Sentry, which, to me, strikes me as odd.Bendis has done far more than Sentry/Siege to gain my ire, though. He is wildly erratic and inconsistent and says one thing only to turn around and say something completely different. His strong suit is Daredevil, Ult. Spider-Man, and keeping things mostly street level.