I think that more or less they are.
But Wolverine doesn't have a healing factor here, so he'll fatigue out while Cap won't.
Any advantage cap has over Wolverine in his favor plays a huge factor here, and Cap is more used to having to fight without the luxury of a hf or indestructible bones where as Wolverine as grown accustomed to them and gotten lazy as a fighter because of them, I think with a couple of months of training to get back into the habit of fighting without acting like he's invicible Wolverine would easily be in the same league as Cap, but if both characters are just being plucked out of their repective universe and dropped into an arena with Wolverine at these disadvantages I don't see him taking the majority... maybe 3 out of 10 but no more than that IMO.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think that more or less they are.But Wolverine doesn't have a healing factor here, so he'll fatigue out while Cap won't.
Any advantage cap has over Wolverine here is in his favor, and Cap is more used to having to fight without the luxury of a hf or indestructible bones where as Wolverine as grown accustomed to them and gotten lazy as a fighter because of them, I think with a couple of months of training to get back into the habit of fighting without acting like he's invicible Wolverine would easily be in the same league as Cap, but if both characters are just being plucked out of their repective universe and dropped into an arena with Wolverine at these disadvantages I don't see him taking the majority... maybe 3 out of 10 but no more than that IMO.
Hmmm....agreed.
Originally posted by jinzin
I think that more or less they are.But Wolverine doesn't have a healing factor here, so he'll fatigue out while Cap won't.
Any advantage cap has over Wolverine in his favor plays a huge factor here, and Cap is more used to having to fight without the luxury of a hf or indestructible bones where as Wolverine as grown accustomed to them and gotten lazy as a fighter because of them, I think with a couple of months of training to get back into the habit of fighting without acting like he's invicible Wolverine would easily be in the same league as Cap, but if both characters are just being plucked out of their repective universe and dropped into an arena with Wolverine at these disadvantages I don't see him taking the majority... maybe 3 out of 10 but no more than that IMO.
I'm not sure its as much as a disadvantage on Wolverine's part as you are making it out to be. One needs to keep in mind Marvel's time scale when considering something like this, 'cause Wolverine has only been relaying on his healing factor/claws/adamantium bones for maybe ten years. He spent the whole of his black opts/military career keeping his abilities under wraps. Relying on knifes guns and pretending he didn't even have a healing factor. When he was chosen for Adamantium bonding by Weapon X they weren't even 100% on him having a healing factor; there was paper work filled every once in a while where someone would insist that Logan got a bullet in the leg or something, but little else. He dropped into the role of Patch pretty effortlessly too, and he rarely used his claws or healing factor as Patch since he wanted people to think Wolverine was dead.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure its as much as a disadvantage on Wolverine's part as you are making it out to be. One needs to keep in mind Marvel's time scale when considering something like this, 'cause Wolverine has only been relaying on his healing factor/claws/adamantium bones for [b]maybe ten years. He spent the whole of his black opts/military career keeping his abilities under wraps. Relying on knifes guns and pretending he didn't even have a healing factor. When he was chosen for Adamantium bonding by Weapon X they weren't even 100% on him having a healing factor; there was paper work filled every once in a while where someone would insist that Logan got a bullet in the leg or something, but little else. He dropped into the role of Patch pretty effortlessly too, and he rarely used his claws or healing factor as Patch since he wanted people to think Wolverine was dead. [/B]
i'd say that the only reason there wasn't much paper work on his healing factor was due to "them" keeping it under wraps as implied by origins, and also due to the fact that anyone from those days who had seen his healing factor in action probably didn't live to talk about it.
I'd say that it's fairly clear that Wolverine's gotten sloppy as a fighter because of his reliance on those things, hell there was a huge arc about it around issues 120-130 something. So the marvel time-scale doesn't mean much to me as much as Wolverine's own admission.
And the fatigue, I think WOULD play a major factor in this fight, Cap can keep himself going at optimal levels indefinitely so Wolverine has to keep this fight short to keep in this fight at all. That said, I don't feel that Wolverine is incapible, though I imagine that's how it's sounding, that's not what I mean to say, but I still think Cap's taking the majority here.
capt still tires jinzin. He has peak=human durabilty he can and does tire it jsut takes a logn time. Logan has shown with out his healing factor he still as immense stamina. so really staminaq not going to play a role here.
also Logan has on many occassions has done quite fine with out a healing factor. He really does not need that much time to get sue to not having it.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
capt still tires jinzin. He has peak=human durabilty he can and does tire it jsut takes a logn time. Logan has shown with out his healing factor he still as immense stamina. so really staminaq not going to play a role here.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also Logan has on many occassions has done quite fine with out a healing factor. He really does not need that much time to get sue to not having it.
Like I said, I don't mean to say that Wolverine's incapible, (and please, battlehammer, no offense to you, but you're not about to educate me on Logan 😬...) however, Logan is sloppier because of it, and has admitted it on a few occasions.. it's not really up for debate.