Storm Vs Colossus

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I said crusade in jest.

You for some reason have a problem and are picking on it

I would say more but it seems Creshock has set you straight. You should thank him.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Could you slap galactus in the face and get the same reaction?

lowest form of wit st

I've never been high brow. Obscure, but not high brow.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
lowest form of wit st

Originally posted by Creshosk
Lowest form of wit it may or may not be. But indeed it's quite funny.

In small doses 😉

Did anybody get the Joe vs the Volcano reference? Honestly. I've referenced the movie many times across the net and maybe two people have caught it.

And to return to the topic, Colossus is still pretty boned.

Yea, I caught it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok. Let me sort this out. I believe Storm would win. Why?

For a start her lightning can and has very well hurt him in the past. Shortly after the dark phoenix saga in uncanny xmen Storm after being trapped in a chrome form by Doom was released and she was temporarily driven mad. She attacked both Doom and her fellow Xmen. Colossus tries to approach storm to take her out but her winds were too strong for him to move and her lightning bolts which were naturally attracted to his armoured form made approaching her too painful anyway as he stated. Storm wasnt even directing shooting at him but what did manage to connect with him certainly hurt him. Imagine if she did hit him directly.

In uncanny xmen when the team travelled to antartica to stop Magneto from unleahing a worldwide E.M.P wave a powerful lightning bolt attracted to his metal form struck him and Rogue who was in the near vicinty. They were both floored. Rogue was unconscious.

In a battle to the death a barrage of full intensity lightning from Storm would most certainly hurt Colossus.

Storm also has the ability to manipulate the bio-electric field which permeates all living beings. Storm when endangered by the intangible mutant Shinobi Shaw threatened to shut down his organs by shutting down his field something she claimed to be able to do despite his intangibility. Colossus in metallic form could also be dealt with in such a manner if her life was at risk.

Colosssus is very durable, however he is far from impervious to harm. Riptide of the Marauders has hospitalised him through gale force propelled projectiles. Storm is certainly capable of the same thing. As previously mentioned straw can pierce concrete in hurricane force winds. Straw and grass piecing walls or trees is a regular occurrence in major storms worldwide. In a cityscape there are plenty of objects which storm could use for a similar effect. It would definitely work. Just think it happens all the time in storms. If Storm is directly propelling metal poles or the like at colossus with the intention of piercing his armour then of course it would work if the like happens all the time during storms and just by accident. Riptide can hardly outclass Storm in the wind generating stakes.

Also Storm could certainly restrain him with winds. Emma Frost who is class 50 was easily restrained by storm with her winds with no effort from storm at all. Colossus is a low level class 100. With a bit more effort it is certainly within her capabilities.

Also you lot are seriously over-estimating colosuss' durability. If he was tossed about in hurricane force winds, slammed into buildings, slammed into the ground he would eventually be knocked unconscious. He is not juggernaut. He has been hurt by Storms lightning before. He was floored by a powerful lightning bolt, he has been hospitalised by riptide, AOA colossus was killed by Gambits powers.

Well said. Based on this evidence, I believe Storm has a much better chance than I did before.

However, to be fair, Riptide's projectiles harming Colossus is very, very stupid. It's definitly a plot device, or just ignorance on the writer's part. Curved metal is VERY hard to pierce, especially if it's smooth. As for the winds holding him any one with super strength in place, that too is silly. These people can lift over 100,000 pounds, yet can't get out of wind? Complete bullshit. 100,000 pounds is so much weight, it's ridiculous. Marvel writers really have a poor grasp of how much power these charactesr actually have, based on how strong they say they are. A human being can stand in winds ~ 40-60 mph with at least a bit of effort, I don't see how characters who are 100x stronger than an average person can't handle winds that aren't producing anywhere near 100,000 lbs of pressure. It boggles the mind, it really does. This is one of the main reasons I hate characters like Storm, their powers are so vague, that many writers don't truely comprehend what is feasible or not. Holding a class 50 in place with winds? Traveling at mach 3 and surviving? Heh... really now, it is just plain ridiculous.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Well said. Based on this evidence, I believe Storm has a much better chance than I did before.

However, to be fair, Riptide's projectiles harming Colossus is very, very stupid. It's definitly a plot device, or just ignorance on the writer's part. Curved metal is VERY hard to pierce, especially if it's smooth. As for the winds holding him any one with super strength in place, that too is silly. These people can lift over 100,000 pounds, yet can't get out of wind? Complete bullshit. 100,000 pounds is so much weight, it's ridiculous. Marvel writers really have a poor grasp of how much power these charactesr actually have, based on how strong they say they are. A human being can stand in winds ~ 40-60 mph with at least a bit of effort, I don't see how characters who are 100x stronger than an average person can't handle winds that aren't producing anywhere near 100,000 lbs of pressure. It boggles the mind, it really does. This is one of the main reasons I hate characters like Storm, their powers are so vague, that many writers don't truely comprehend what is feasible or not. Holding a class 50 in place with winds? Traveling at mach 3 and surviving? Heh... really now, it is just plain ridiculous.

People weigh as much as they can lift?

Spiderman weighs 15 tons?

What does that say about Superman or the Hulk?

why have'nt these people created black holes with their increidble density!

Originally posted by Creshosk
People weigh as much as they can lift?

Spiderman weighs 15 tons?

What does that say about Superman or the Hulk?

why have'nt these people created black holes with their increidble density!

Where did I say anything about them lifting as much as they weigh ?

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Where did I say anything about them lifting as much as they weigh ?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not lifting as much as they weigh, weighing as much as they lift.

Where did I say that? I just read through it again, and nothing in there even mentions their weight, just the weight of what they can lift.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Where did I say that? I just read through it again, and nothing in there even mentions their weight, just the weight of what they can lift.

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you mean to tell me that it would take 15 tons of force to move something that doesn't even weigh 200 pounds?

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about the fact that Storm BLOWS winds against them, and pins their arms to their sides, so they cant move. She holds them against WALLS. If you have something to base off of, you can move. It's not like shes whipping them around in circles, she holds them in place, yet they cant seem to resist the force ontop of them.

When wind comes straight at you, if you stand still, you'll feel the effect. If you brace yourself, you'll still feel it, but you wont be effected by it, because you're exerting an equal counter-force. So if the wind is just pressing you against a wall with 100 lbs of force, if you lift your arm with 110 lbs of force, you will be moving your arm with 10 lbs of force. So, if storm was to hold Emma Frost in place against that brick wall, she would have to be exerting around 50,000 lbs of force (Emma can supposedly lift around 100,000 lbs, thats 50 tons, so I'll say she can exert around half as much for her normal strength) to keep her in place. Colossus, who is supposedly ~class 90, can lift 180,000 lbs, so we'll say he can exert 90,000 lbs of pressure. NINETY THOUSAND pounds of pressure. Storm isn't going to be holding him in place, she could move him around, yes, but that is going to take concentration. Remember, your muscles work by pulling, not pushing, so even if you're in the middle of the air you can move your limbs around.

What you have to remember nat is that the wind we can brace ourselves against when outside isnt tightly focused and directed at us in particular. We're just feeling a bit of it because of the area of influence of that weather pattern.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about the fact that Storm BLOWS winds against them, and pins their arms to their sides, so they cant move. She holds them against WALLS. If you have something to base off of, you can move. It's not like shes whipping them around in circles, she holds them in place, yet they cant seem to resist the force ontop of them.

When wind comes straight at you, if you stand still, you'll feel the effect. If you brace yourself, you'll still feel it, but you wont be effected by it, because you're exerting an equal counter-force. So if the wind is just pressing you against a wall with 100 lbs of force, if you lift your arm with 110 lbs of force, you will be moving your arm with 10 lbs of force. So, if storm was to hold Emma Frost in place against that brick wall, she would have to be exerting around 50,000 lbs of force (Emma can supposedly lift around 100,000 lbs, thats 50 tons, so I'll say she can exert around half as much for her normal strength) to keep her in place. Colossus, who is supposedly ~class 90, can lift 180,000 lbs, so we'll say he can exert 90,000 lbs of pressure. NINETY THOUSAND pounds of pressure. Storm isn't going to be holding him in place, she could move him around, yes, but that is going to take concentration. Remember, your muscles work by pulling, not pushing, so even if you're in the middle of the air you can move your limbs around.

Odd I thought we were talking about lifting him off the ground rather than pinning him to it. . .

Colossus isn't doing much of anything, he just isn't getting beat by winds anytime soon.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Colossus isn't doing much of anything, he just isn't getting beat by winds anytime soon.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you have to remember nat is that the wind we can brace ourselves against when outside isnt tightly focused and directed at us in particular. We're just feeling a bit of it because of the area of influence of that weather pattern.

I'm aware, but are you aware of how much weight 100,000 pounds is?

Odd I thought we were talking about lifting him off the ground rather than pinning him to it. . .

I'm talking about when Storm holds people in place with her winds. I even stated as much, I even stated that I WASN'T talking about moving them around. Just pinning them in the air, or against walls. You really don't comprehend much of what is written.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what the lightning and flash freeze is for.

Lightning isn't going to heat him up that much. 50k degrees is a maximum possibility, and even then, its only for a fraction of a second. If lightning was always 50k degrees, no one would survive it, the heat would flash boil all of your blood and you would die. Quite the contrary, most people DO survive lightning, and the majority that do die, die due to heart failure because the heart seizes up.

Like I said, lightning is not a viable source of heat.

Galactic, how did Colossus melt in the comic you previously mentioned?