Thing And Wolverine Vs Sabertooth And Sasquatch

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That wasn't Sasquatch that was Tanaraq.

Yes but it was still Exiles.. are you saying they get their power from the same canon?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually she said she would kill him twice in the issue and believed she could

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not to what was said in the last page of the caption, as she wasn't sure what she would have done if Wolverine went for the attack in the end.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'll look for the scans, but regardless pretty clear she was holding back via quotes, flashback and conversations in the same issue.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We see her holding his dead body with no marks on her what's so ever and even here she still believed she could kill him but as noted didn't want to as she was mourning him for years almost to the point of suicidal.

Originally posted by jinzin
I suppose. Though I think there are CLEAR differences between that example and 616 reality, and clear similarities between this example and 616 reality.

Not really.

Earth-1610 != Earth-616 != Earth-1720 != Earth-1880 != Earth-1917 != Earth-1987 != Earth-2020 != Earth-2189 != Earth-2600 != Earth-.....

Originally posted by YFZ 350
So let me get this straight. Sasquatch beat Logan in Exiles?

She killed Logan in Exiles on one timeline.. but we never see ONE PANEL of their fight to show us any context in how it took place.. Logan could have lost to one of any number of factors not expanded upon...

What we do know is that when we see her fight Wolverine on panel with Morphs help to back her up, she ends up high-tailing it away from the fight.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes, she killed her realities Wolverine, her husband at the time.

Originally posted by Soljer
Not really.

Earth-1610 != Earth-616 != Earth-1720 != Earth-1880 != Earth-1917 != Earth-1987 != Earth-2020 != Earth-2189 != Earth-2600 != Earth-.....

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Originally posted by YFZ 350
Didn't Colossus beat Luke Cage and Iron Fist?

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes but it was still Exiles.. are you saying they get their power from the same canon?

No, even in the Sasquatch & Great Beasts respect thread I seperate the two. I don't use them as the same being.

Originally posted by jinzin

But that's not exactly how things played out.. Wolverine said he could take the Hulk canonically before his first appearance and he said it multiple times.. he believed he could do it too.. didn't mean much when they threw down.

Well considering Exiles Sasquatch took blasts from Dr.Doom, Iron Man and a hammer throw from Thor all at the same time and it didn't put her down or leave any damage your greatly underating her here.

Originally posted by jinzin

To me it seemed strongly implied she was on the end of a short rope.

She definetly seemed to be fine with her situation even commenting she killed Wolverine before and she would again to Morph.

Originally posted by jinzin

I disagree to this too. In the heat of the fight, the narrative, the on panel art (expressions) and the diologue all point to the contrary.

There's actually quotes and captions that support BOTH of our opinions so going to be impossible to convince either of us to go the other way.

Originally posted by jinzin

OKay.. BUT....we still have no context to the fight in question. And once again, so what if she believed she could, from all appearances, she was wrong.

How do you know? For all we know she could have been in the exact same situation as before and did it.

Originally posted by jinzin
What we do know is that when we see her fight Wolverine on panel with Morphs help to back her up, she ends up high-tailing it away from the fight.

Well considering Morph was sliced in half and she was hurt herself I don't see what's the problem. She even eluded to not being mentally in it as she had to kill her husband before. So is it really a good indication of how a fight would be? Not in the least

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, even in the Sasquatch & Great Beasts respect thread I seperate the two. I don't use them as the same being.

Oh my mistake then, I though you referneced Exiles Sas for Zarathos arguments we had a while back.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well considering Exiles Sasquatch took blasts from Dr.Doom, Iron Man and a hammer throw from Thor all at the same time and it didn't put her down or leave any damage your greatly underating her here.

No I'm not, I'm just stating exactly what I saw.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
She definetly seemed to be fine with her situation even commenting she killed Wolverine before and she would again to Morph.

Which once again, didn't seem to mean much when she ended up getting rid of Morph and prepping herself to die. 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
There's actually quotes and captions that support BOTH of our opinions so going to be impossible to convince either of us to go the other way.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
How do you know? For all we know she could have been in the exact same situation as before and did it.

I don't know, nor am I suggesting that I do. But isn't it fair to assume that if she was in the exact same position it would have ended just as badly for her? Isn't it then likely that she wasn't and nor was Logan?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well considering Morph was sliced in half and she was hurt herself I don't see what's the problem. She even eluded to not being mentally in it as she had to kill her husband before. So is it really a good indication of how a fight would be? Not in the least

and ONCE.... AGAAAAAAIN.... lol
The narrative dictates otherwise as does (IMO) the fight and diologue.

And the damage that she and morph sustained was on Wolvies own accord so.. 😬

What issue did Logan fight Sasquatch and Morph? It must be in the 40's or so.

Originally posted by jinzin

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No I'm not, I'm just stating exactly what I saw.

As am I, but we know Heather's heart wasn't in this so why are we even using it as a true representation of how 616 fought would occur?

Originally posted by jinzin

Which once again, didn't seem to mean much when she ended up getting rid of Morph and prepping herself to die. 😬

She wasn't prepping herself to die, she even comments shortly after she is thinking of killing him and the last page has Heather being thankful that she didn't have to do it again.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't know, nor am I suggesting that I do. But isn't it fair to assume that if she was in the exact same position it would have ended just as badly for her? Isn't it then likely that she wasn't and nor was Logan?

Well the thing is Walter does have a healing factor, for all we know she could have been holding him for awhile and healed mourning killing her husband, or did it quick. We just don't know.

I honestly don't remember.. but I could post the fight later tonight.

Originally posted by jinzin
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Originally posted by jinzin
and ONCE.... AGAAAAAAIN.... lol
The narrative dictates otherwise as does (IMO) the fight and diologue.

And the damage that she and morph sustained was on Wolvies own accord so.. 😬

Like mentioned earlier there are captions, and dialogue that state the opposite.

She has a healing factor and a damn good one and she was mentally upset about having to potentailly kill her husband again

Originally posted by YFZ 350
What issue did Logan fight Sasquatch and Morph? It must be in the 40's or so.

#33 I believe

Originally posted by King_Mungi
As am I, but we know Heather's heart wasn't in this so why are we even using it as a true representation of how 616 fought would occur?

And I'm not using it so much as a "true representation" of a fight between Logan and Sas either so don't confuse yourself with what I've said. What I said was simply that the fight in question makes me think there's more than a bit of validity in thinking Wolverine can take Sasquatch.

Furthermore I think it just proves a lot in terms of What Logan and take and dish out when compared with Sas.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
She wasn't prepping herself to die, she even comments shortly after she is thinking of killing him and the last page has Heather being thankful that she didn't have to do it again.

I'll haveto re-read it but I definitely didn't interpret it that way.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well the thing is Walter does have a healing factor, for all we know she could have been holding him for awhile and healed mourning killing her husband, or did it quick. We just don't know.

For all we know he was taxed out or going through his own CIS (buffy/angel style) when she did it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Like mentioned earlier there are captions, and dialogue that state the opposite.

She has a healing factor and a damn good one and she was mentally upset about having to potentailly kill her husband again

This is going circles.. oy..

No one said she didn't.. but it clearly wasn't enough to keep up with the damage she was sustaining. She didn't run away for being upset, she ran because Logan ripped up her Acheles. At least that's how it came across to me.

Originally posted by jinzin
Because regardless if things started out that way, they certainly seemed to escalate into an all out fight.

It didn't though she even comments and the images show she is getting mentally upset talking to Morph about it.

Originally posted by jinzin

And I'm not using it so much as a "true representation" of a fight between Logan and Sas either so don't confuse yourself with what I've said. What I said was simply that the fight in question makes me think there's more than a bit of validity in thinking Wolverine can take Sasquatch.

You said you don't consider Sasquatch would take a majority since you read the fight in Exiles, but that fight didn't really prove anything. Can Wolverine beat Sasquatch? definetly, but for the majority no way.

Originally posted by jinzin

Furthermore I think it just proves a lot in terms of What Logan and take and dish out when compared with Sas.

With a timid Sasquatch

Originally posted by jinzin
And? Who said he didn't?

For all we know he was taxed out or going through his own CIS (buffy/angel style) when she did it.

I didn't say otherwise

Come on, now your really underating Sasquatch.

Originally posted by jinzin
I honestly don't remember.. but I could post the fight later tonight.

Originally posted by jinzin
This is going circles.. oy..

No one said she didn't.. but it clearly wasn't enough to keep up with the damage she was sustaining. She didn't run away for being upset, she ran because Logan ripped up her Acheles. At least that's how it came across to me.