Well if it is then I'm sorry but from My understanding is that it is the one Universe with everything running through it and that all the other realilties are nothing more than people in the future.
Anyway if I'm wrong then I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time but that doesn't change the fact that in the OG Unicron was the destroyer of everything that I am not wrong on.
Originally posted by newjak86
Well if it is then I'm sorry but from My understanding is that it is the one Universe with everything running through it and that all the other realilties are nothing more than people in the future.
Anyway if I'm wrong then I'm wrong it wouldn't be the first time but that doesn't change the fact that in the OG Unicron was the destroyer of everything that I am not wrong on.
Nah he's cool. Im in the process of downloading some transformer comics because of you so thanks for that. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong NJ. You're a cool guy.
well if I'm wrong about the Multi Verse thing then i will accept it but I still feel you are vastly underrating Unicron and what he is capable of.
I mean is the Alpha and Omega himself I believe he is the begining I think he came first in the OG and that nothing came before him and he is the Omega the end of all not becuase it is what he does but what he wants. He has the power to destroy all in devouring the engery of somehting only strengthens him no creature in Creation or beyond wuld have an easy time taking this beast down.
Originally posted by newjak86
well if I'm wrong about the Multi Verse thing then i will accept it but I still feel you are vastly underrating Unicron and what he is capable of.
I mean is the Alpha and Omega himself I believe he is the begining I think he came first in the OG and that nothing came before him and he is the Omega the end of all not becuase it is what he does but what he wants. He has the power to destroy all in devouring the engery of somehting only strengthens him no creature in Creation or beyond wuld have an easy time taking this beast down.
The alpha is the being whose role it is to create everything, everything originates from them, they are the beginning. The omega is the thing that ends everything in the natural scheme of things, its its role. Phoenix is the alpha and omega of marvel. In the natural scheme of things it is the beginning and end of existence. However as you know in Marvel beings such as Thanos with H.O.T.U or IG has come in and ended the universe. That doesnt make him the omega. Because its not his natural role in the scheme of things. He's just someone who has destroyed the universe.
Wasnt Primacon the one who supposedly made Unicron? Either way just because his origins are unrevealed doesnt mean he wasnt created by someone. Unicron never created the multiverse he's just a universal being so he's definitely not the alpha. Whether he's the end is debatable because he was obvious made for the purpose of destruction so he could very well be the End that is planned for that universe but who knows?
Either way im currently downloading the comics so i'll have a good read and i'll post scans if i come across anything. But yeah it seems there is a multiverse there and unicron powerful as he is is a universal force of destruction and so not on the level of phoenix. But yeah you've piqued my interest in Transformers i'll get back to you on the comics
I know what the alpha and Omega are I was just trying to say something cool to show case his power.
Anyway yes in one of the Comics past the OG Primacon is said to be the creator of both Primus and Unicron to explore Creation. But that is just one of the comics that come after the OG that are a different story all together. This is one of the things that make Transformers so confusing because it is not owned by one particular comic company. Since one doesn't have the right to it then what that one did is a completely different universe from any others. I one Comic Unicron is nothing more than a Demon. In another he is simply the largest Transformer ever made. But the OG is his most powerful incarnation if you ask me. Why because basically basically the concepts have changed of what transformers has taken. They basically have taken on a for Marvel type approach in the sense of a religious type organizing. This person is beyond this person in Creation and serves this role or that one. Like Phoenix is the Alpha and Omega. Of course in this system the devourer of worlds and universes for the purpose of evil can't be held high and thus he is depowered in the scheme of things. Now in the OG the system was more of an idealistic way of looking at things. It was the concept of Good vs Evil not as a job given from a higher being but instead a personal choice. It's the idea that the ultimate Evil can be on par and above the Ultimate good that makes Unicron so powerful in the OG. It is also why in a Marvel setting he is so weak because the Ultimate evil will never be held high in the role of things. Though in the OG Unicron had all the powers of Creation and could use them but never wanted to because he chose to destroy. Just like Primus could destroy Creation but didn't want to. This idea is what makes Unicron the devourer of all things and why he can face Phoenix becasue he is betyond the concept of Creation existing outside of it. This is why the other versions of Unicron loose but this one can win.
This is also why i liked the OG comics better they seemed more simple and just seemed more like an epic struggle because if Unicron wins everything else looses.
ok, so to summarize:
Phoenix is the primal force of creation
Unicron is the primal force of destruction
Phoenix was able to overcome Marvel's primal force of destruction (M'Kraan Crystal)
Unicron was able to overcome...umm...Hasbro/Marvel's primal force of creation (Primus).
So in both cases, they've overcome their polar opposite. That about right?
They're all-powerful forces who have been described inconsistently over the years and seem to conflict with other canon in their respective universes, like the role of Primacron in the Transformers comics or the role of LT in Marvel.
Sounds like a stalemate to me. Or at the very least, inconclusive since they've both gone unopposed and unbeaten. Minor edge to Unicron since he seems a bit more unstoppable. But that may be just because I know less about him.
Originally posted by newjak86
Why who do you think wins by the way I was reading the thread again and I quit once I got to our essay wars there. 😆
Michael and Lucifer are gods favourites. They individually could probably do it. Together along with the others is overkill.
I had a look as well. Forget going through that stuff again. Im actually sick of talking about phoenix now. 😆
Originally posted by newjak86
Please Primus is the power of creation remember how well does that stack up agaginst him especially since when they fought God couldn't help since God doesn't exist in Primus's world.
Its an assumption that theres always a supreme being. Primuswas created he didnt just appear out of nowhere. The brothers together are gods favourites they are second only to god. so together along with the others its certainly overkill. We'll continue this 2moz cos im about to go bed. Nite nite NJ 😉