tulak Hord vs. mace Windu

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Good question. She also says that Tulak Hord lived in a time of "Many great lightsaber duellists". Clearly he is after Sadow and the others... .right? Or is that possible?

That's why I made the assumption that "lightsaber" and "swords" are not of different molds. We have very few accounts of an individual fighting swords against lightsabers; and the only one that comes into mind is Ragnavion with Ragnos' sith sword against Jaden Korr and his lightsaber in JK:A.

We know that they are at least comparable in style. It is of my opinion, based upon competition, that Tulak Hord would be the winner. However, I will certainly not pass this for fact.

I did a lot of fighting with swords against lightsabers in both KOTOR's

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I did a lot of fighting with swords against lightsabers in both KOTOR's

Ah good point; I can't believe I overlooked that.

Still, my point remains, the two are at least comparable in style and effectiveness.

form one actually is based off of tradiotinal swordplay from before the times of lightsabers.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
form one actually is based off of tradiotinal swordplay from before the times of lightsabers.

Exactly, and since it seems we are in agreement here, perhaps we can express our opinions as to the outcome of the Tulak vs. Windu match.

Tulak kicks his face in!

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Tulak kicks his face in!

Agreed 🙂.

Moah...some people here realy get me angry with their wild assumptions. I actualy would like some pumpgun to hunt down some noobs here.

Seriously...

A)
Form VII is not "completed" in the times of the PT. There is still a working process on it. Form VII is called Juyo and is basically a blend of form IV (Ataru) movements, form II (Makashi) precission and form V (Djem So) powerful strikes. If you want to see a "normal" form VII praticioner take a look at Darth Maul.

Mace created his own form (Vaapad) out of form VII. It more relies on precise and fast hits with less powerful strikes and faster movements. Also he added the ability to channel dark side feelings and make them a weapon for the light side and he included his unique Shatterpoint ability.

B)
In Tulak Hords time the lightsabers were pretty new to the Sith. Their first contact with it was during the times of the Great Hyperspace War (5,000 years before ANH). The Sith Lords before used blades enchanted with Sith magic (Ragnos, Sadow). So Tulak Hord was around somewhere in the times between the Great Hyperspace War and the events in KOTOR I (3,956 years before ANH).

If he used ANY known form or something that got close to one of the known forms it's form II. Form II is the lightsaber duel form and nearly all great lightsaber duelist known used it. Tulak Hord wouldn't have used a form that is still in development 4,000 years past his time.

C)
Hell...Tulak Hord would waste ANYBODY else in terms of sheer lightsaber combat (except Yoda maybe) so Mace pretty much dies in that fight as I don't give him a chance against somebody that is an ancient Sith Lord and the best Sith swordsman ever.

D)
One last point: Lightsabers and normal sabers are not combareable. A normal saber has a blade that - at least - posesses 50 % of the entire sabers weight. Now...a lightsaber "blade" has a weight of 0. You simply can't use the same forms with a saber that you can use with a lightsaber because something that makes wield a blade made out of light (with no weight) will pretty much kill you if you try to do the same with a "normal" saber and vice versa.

That's the reason why people who aren't familar with a lightsaber would pretty likely hurt themselves with that weapon while most people can handle a normal saber without injuring theirselves.

One last point: Lightsabers and normal sabers are not combareable. A normal saber has a blade that - at least - posesses 50 % of the entire sabers weight. Now...a lightsaber "blade" has a weight of 0. You simply can't use the same forms with a saber that you can use with a lightsaber because something that makes wield a blade made out of light (with no weight) will pretty much kill you if you try to do the same with a "normal" saber and vice versa.

I did make a mention as to the counterbalance.

In most swords, the point of balance is a few inches above the hilt. Yes, I do realize that a lightsaber will have ALL its weight in the hilt. However, the general form does not change. Tulak Hord did not use Form VII. However, you do wield both Sith swords and a lightsaber in similar methods. There are swords with extremely light blades in human history (e.g. rapiers). The difference then becomes instead of focusing on power, you would focus on speed.

But that's because a hit from a broadsword would be far more dangerous than a prick with a rapier. In this scenario, both Sith magic imbued swords AND lightsabers would both be VERY potent when struck.

Nice points all around. Just like to add here and there:

1- I've always thought Tulak Hord was a Makashi master simply because the form itself is among one of the earliest. Juyo is actually made later in the game, and is something taught by masters (As in KOTOR II), which MIGHT mean that it was hardly commonplace in that time, let alone in Tulak earlier time.

2- Cortosis weaves, I believe they are. There are some things that can deflect lightsaber strikes or resist them. Now, sith blades are heavily enchanted, for lack of a better term, and can resist most anything, including the effect of time. Vibroblades and swords, however, are mass produced using an Echani weave pattern that helps protect the blade during sparring, especially with a lightsaber. I've also heard of Mandalorian iron being resistant, but where you would find an iron like that I could only guess. And if the Mandalorians had a monopoly on an iron that was resistant to lightsabers, the Jedi would have been hard pressed in the Mandalorian Wars.