If God were to tell you to, would you fly an airplane into a building?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If God were to tell you to, would you fly an airplane into a building?

Please do not get upset with me, I believe this is a valid question. Where do you draw the line between acceptable and radical?

I'd probably first ask a million questions to confirm if it was really God. Then I'd ask a million questions as to why he wanted me to do it. If I confirmed without a doubt that it was him, knowing God fairly well(or at least knowing that he is loving) I'd probably do what he asked with much fear, trembling, and reservation.

Now how about everybody answer this one - If you were asked by the government to go into a foreign country and kill some evil "religious zealots" who were against "free society" that you lived in, would you kill them?

If you chose not to go, would you support anyone from your country who followed the governments orders and went into the country to kill them?

And finally, should any person who acts against the governments agenda against an "evil" regime be considered a traitor to their country?

Originally posted by Thundar
I'd probably first ask a million questions to confirm if it was really God. Then I'd ask a million questions as to why he wanted me to do it. If I confirmed without a doubt that it was him, knowing God fairly well(or at least knowing that he is loving) I'd probably do what he asked with much fear, trembling, and reservation.

Now how about everybody answer this one - If you were asked by the government to go into a foreign country and kill some evil "religious zealots" who were against "free society" that you lived in, would you kill them?

If you chose not to go, would you support anyone from your country who followed the governments orders and went into the country to kill them?

And finally, should any person who acts against the governments agenda against an "evil" regime be considered a traitor to their country?

To answer you question: I would never kill anyone, for any reason other then accident.

I was once in the army, so back then I would have gone, but now I would not. I also, would not hide from the consequences of my action.

"acts against the governments agenda" is too vague. The law defines treason in a very narrow way.

As far as the thread question:
I would tell god to do his own killing and ask him to take my life instead.

I'd fly a 747 into a building and then steer another dozen biplanes into it just for the hell of it.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'd fly a 747 into a building and then steer another dozen biplanes into it just for the hell of it.

Like a good Christian. 😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
To answer you question: I would never kill anyone, for any reason other then accident.

So if an evil person has made it their sole purpose in life to kill you and/or your family - you would allow them to do this without defending your family?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was once in the army, so back then I would have gone, but now I would not. I also, would not hide from the consequences of my action.
"acts against the governments agenda" is too vague. The law defines treason in a very narrow way.

So if your country was attacked and becoming overrun by evil "religious zealots" threatening your way of life, you would not fight with your "government" to protect it -- and you don't believe you would be legally or morally defined as a traitor by not doing so?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
As far as the thread question:
I would tell god to do his own killing and ask him to take my life instead.

So assuming that you knew the people God was asking you to kill were "evil" - you would still ask God that your life be taken in the place of theirs. Hmm..that's a good answer -- for some reason though, it seems as if I've seen this line of reasoning some place before...😉

That being stated, I have to ask you -- after having your innocent life taken away for "evil" people, what consequences - if any, do you feel these people should experience, if they choose to continue in doing evil, after you lovingly gave up your life for them?

Do you think that God should make them experience this thing called death like yourself at any point, or should they be rewarded with eternal life - so they can continue to do evil?

Religion only leads to hate, fact.

Nuance... there are aspects which inspire goodness in people, but also aspects which inspire the worst sort of atrocities. Religion is at least as much a force for good and peace as it is for evil and violence. But the problems with religion are ultimately problems with human beings.

Originally posted by Magee
Religion only leads to hate, fact.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, here is my answer...

"No, God, take my life now, I will not kill anyone."

Originally posted by Magee
Religion only leads to hate, fact.

Originally posted by Thundar
So if an evil person has made it their sole purpose in life to kill you and/or your family - you would allow them to do this without defending your family?

If someone is trying to kill you, you can do more then just kill the person. Knocking them out and tying them up for the police would be much better. The only way I would kill them is by accident. Let’s say I try to knock them out, but I hit them too hard and kill them, that would be on accident.

Originally posted by Thundar
So if your country was attacked and becoming overrun by evil "religious zealots" threatening your way of life, you would not fight with your "government" to protect it -- and you don't believe you would be legally or morally defined as a traitor by not doing so?

I can care for the wounded or give logistical help, or training, but I will not kill on purpose.

Originally posted by Thundar
So assuming that you knew the people God was asking you to kill were "evil" - you would still ask God that your life be taken in the place of theirs. Hmm..that's a good answer -- for some reason though, it seems as if I've seen this line of reasoning some place before...😉

People are not good or evil; what they do is good or evil, and killing them is not always the best action.

Originally posted by Thundar
That being stated, I have to ask you -- after having your innocent life taken away for "evil" people, what consequences - if any, do you feel these people should experience, if they choose to continue in doing evil, after you lovingly gave up your life for them?

I believe in reincarnation, not life after death. We will all return with the karma we left with. So, if we kill a mass murderer before he/she has had time to change, we simple throw that person into the future where they can murderer again.

Originally posted by Thundar
Do you think that God should make them experience this thing called death like yourself at any point, or should they be rewarded with eternal life - so they can continue to do evil?

I don not believe in the same kind of god that you do. Therefore, it is a silly question.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Isn't sacraficing yourself suicide?

My life is my own. Suicide is a foolish waist of life. However, it is not a "sin" and I will simply return.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If someone is trying to kill you, you can do more then just kill the person. Knocking them out and tying them up for the police would be much better. The only way I would kill them is by accident. Let’s say I try to knock them out, but I hit them too hard and kill them, that would be on accident.

That's a good attitude to have. Ideally, not trying to harm someone who is trying to take away your life is goal we as human beings should strive for. Unfortunately, it's not always possible to obtain this goal. Sometimes the only method one has to defend their family and their way of life, unfortunately, is to take away the life of another.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I can care for the wounded or give logistical help, or training, but I will not kill on purpose.

Again, I must commend you for your persistently asserting that you don't want to see others lives taken away. That being stated - assisting others in killing people(i.e. through training and logistical help) does not exclude you from being responsable for the people that they have killed or continue to kill, regardless of whether or not you have directly assited them in doing so.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
People are not good or evil; what they do is good or evil

If one consistently commits evil acts without remorse - commiting evil can become a natural inclination to an individual in a sense, seeing as how they've given their heart over to commiting it. I'd like to think that even people such as this are able to be reformed, unfortunately from what I've witnessed in my many episodes during this life, often times this simply isn't the case.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
and killing them is not always the best action.

Agreed once again. Taking another's life should always be a last resort, and then only as a means of defense. Still, even in situations where defense is necessary and one is given no other options, it would be better to let them take your own life, if doing so would instill and enable them to do good unto others.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I believe in reincarnation, not life after death. We will all return with the karma we left with. So, if we kill a mass murderer before he/she has had time to change, we simple throw that person into the future where they can murderer again.

If you believe in reincarnation then you believe in eternal life, seeing as how you believe that one is continually "reincarnated" and never actually dies. So essentially your answer to previously posed question is "yes." You believe that those who continue to hurt others in this life and who show no remorse for such actions - should be rewarded with life, despite any depraved behavior they have commited.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don not believe in the same kind of god that you do. Therefore, it is a silly question.

If we don't believe in the same type of "God", then this topic is extremely illogical and it's premise is erroneous - since it is logically assumed that we are referring to the same God upon your aforementioned reference to "God" within the title of the thread.(e.g. If God were to tell you to, would you fly an airplane into a building?)

Specify which "God" you are referring to if you wish to continue to make this a logical, well thought out, and rational discussion(i.e. Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, etc), and then directly answer any questions relating to what you would do in such a situation, particularly any such questions which relate to those you've attempted to cleverly(sic) define.

Originally posted by Magee
Religion only leads to hate, fact.

opinion

Originally posted by lord xyz
Isn't sacraficing yourself suicide?

It doesn't, it leads to delusion, retardation and bastardisation also.

Yes, killing yourself is suicide.

Originally posted by Thundar
That's a good attitude to have. Ideally, not trying to harm someone who is trying to take away your life is goal we as human beings should strive for. Unfortunately, it's not always possible to obtain this goal. Sometimes the only method one has to defend their family and their way of life, unfortunately, is to take away the life of another.

I do not say this lightly, and I have to be pressured to come to it; but if there was no other recourse other then taking a life, and the sacrifice of my own life will not aid some greater good, then I would do what I have to do to survive. However, I would not hate the person and show respect for the life that had to be lost.

Originally posted by Thundar
Again, I must commend you for your persistently asserting that you don't want to see others lives taken away. That being stated - assisting others in killing people(i.e. through training and logistical help) does not exclude you from being responsable for the people that they have killed or continue to kill, regardless of whether or not you have directly assited them in doing so.

I do not take on their Karma as long as the endeavor is a just one. However, I do take on the karma of my position, and if I were to die because of it, then I would have no hate for the person who took my life.

Originally posted by Thundar
If one consistently commits evil acts without remorse - commiting evil can become a natural inclination to an individual in a sense, seeing as how they've given their heart over to commiting it. I'd like to think that even people such as this are able to be reformed, unfortunately from what I've witnessed in my many episodes during this life, often times this simply isn't the case.

Still, the path that they are on is what is evil. If a person is evil, then how could they ever be forgiven?

Originally posted by Thundar
Agreed once again. Taking another's life should always be a last resort, and then only as a means of defense. Still, even in situations where defense is necessary and one is given no other options, it would be better to let them take your own life, if doing so would instill and enable them to do good unto others.

See first answer.

Originally posted by Thundar
If you believe in reincarnation then you believe in eternal life, seeing as how you believe that one is continually "reincarnated" and never actually dies. So essentially your answer to previously posed question is "yes." You believe that those who continue to hurt others in this life and who show no remorse for such actions - should be rewarded with life, despite any depraved behavior they have commited.

Well, I told you that I believe in reincarnation because I know you understand what that means. However, I really believe in Simultaneous Incarnation. Time is an illusion, and our entity perceives the universe and time as space and therefore eternal. This entity expresses its self in life, and we are the expression.

Originally posted by Thundar
If we don't believe in the same type of "God", then this topic is extremely illogical and it's premise is erroneous - since it is logically assumed that we are referring to the same God upon your aforementioned reference to "God" within the title of the thread.(e.g. If [b]God were to tell you to, would you fly an airplane into a building?)

Specify which "God" you are referring to if you wish to continue to make this a logical, well thought out, and rational discussion(i.e. Allah, Yahweh, Vishnu, etc), and then directly answer any questions relating to what you would do in such a situation, particularly any such questions which relate to those you've attempted to cleverly(sic) define. [/B]

The god in the question is the Christian god. The “God” I am talking about is the mystic law, and it is really not a god, it is the universe and more including god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Like a good Christian. 😐

Originally posted by FeceMan
Like a good douchebag, more like.

Your point? 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If God were to tell you to, would you fly an airplane into a building?

Please do not get upset with me, I believe this is a valid question. Where do you draw the line between acceptable and radical?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
god gives us free will to do whatever we want. he will never tell us what to do.

Is that why he:

-Told Noah to build the Ark

-Told Moses to deliver the Ten Commandments

-Demand the Pharoah release the Israelites

-Demand Adam and Eve not to eat from the fruit

-etc.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your point? 😆