The Destiny of Anakin Skywalker......

Now that Episode 3 is finished the question that nags at me is this: Was Anakin's destiny as the chosen one set out before we ever got to ROTS?

What I mean by that is, was it already preordained that he would turn to the dark side and have a reign of terror before he killed Sideous? Or could his destiny been that he remained a Jedi and killed Sideous from that position in life.

It can be argued that if the Jedi council were more accommodating to Anakin Skywalker that perhaps he wouldnt have relied so heavily on Palpatine for advice. But then again, maybe he HAD to become evil in order to fulfill the prophecy?

What say you to this?

I should add that I havent been on since the end of May, so if you guys have already discussed this merge this baby please.

Hard to see the future is....our fate is what we make it...this one is deep JP...Destiny, Fate...is life preordained and orderly beyond what we can see?

Qui-Gon was certain he was the Chosen One, everyone else was on the fence: "Okay he hasn't done anything evil or stupid yet...he might be the Chosen One."

His love for Luke finally outweighed 18 - 20 years of the Dark Side. Is that what the Force determined would occur eventually? If Luke had died, would it have been Leia, reminding him of Padme that made the diff?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Now that Episode 3 is finished the question that nags at me is this: Was Anakin's destiny as the chosen one set out before we ever got to ROTS?

What I mean by that is, was it already preordained that he would turn to the dark side and have a reign of terror before he killed Sideous? Or could his destiny been that he remained a Jedi and killed Sideous from that position in life.

It can be argued that if the Jedi council were more accommodating to Anakin Skywalker that perhaps he wouldnt have relied so heavily on Palpatine for advice. But then again, maybe he HAD to become evil in order to fulfill the prophecy?

What say you to this?

I should add that I havent been on since the end of May, so if you guys have already discussed this merge this baby please.

If we discussed it...🙄 You should know to search before hand. 😛

As in the movie Yoda himself said that the Prophecy could have been misread. From that point I believe the Prophecy was read to be that he would be the Jedi to bring balance back to the Force. Misread being that he could be the one to tip the balance of the Force.

We all know though that he destroys the Sith which is the true prophecy.

Ok Ken, dont look at it so literally. What I am getting at is something that is more shades of gray as opposed to black and white.

This really should be that hard for everyone because most of the SW fans are always trying to read into the story.

What I am asking is, could Anakin fulfilled his destiny if he HADNT turned to the dark side?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Ok Ken, dont look at it so literally. What I am getting at is something that is more shades of gray as opposed to black and white.

This really should be that hard for everyone because most of the SW fans are always trying to read into the story.

What I am asking is, could Anakin fulfilled his destiny if he HADNT turned to the dark side?

That's a What If, it doesn't matter either way. He DID turn to the Dark Side, we'll NEVER know what would have happened otherwise.

Dooku would be dead, Palpatine would have no apprentice (no Anakin/Vader) no need for him to reveal himself then. Thus no way for Anakin to fulfill the prophecy. End of story.

yeah, i think the council wanted him to destroy sidious not mace.

First of all, LUKE IS NOT THE CHOSEN ONE! I've read in many threads that some people believe Luke brought balance and that makes him the chosen one, but that's bull. Anakin was the Chosen one. The prophecy states that a being concived of medacloreans would bring balance, (as hinted at in TPM) which makes Anakin the chosen one.

anyways.....Yes, I do believe the entire thing was "The chosen ones fate". It was Anakin's destiny to become Darth Vader and to over take Palpitine. He may have reeked much havoc before he brought balance, but the prophecy was fufilled to the letter.

Let's take your hypothesis and say that Anakin didn't turn. That would have had two paths of destiny:

1. He stayed at the Jedi Temple and waited for Mace Windu to return
2. He went to the Chancellor's chambers and helped Windu capture or kill Palpatine.

If he waited for Windu, he may have sat in that room a long time. Sidious obviously sucked Windu in and could have overpowered him at will (my posts in other threads do not count here). What would Anakin do then. Would he have waited, contacted Yoda, or went on his own anyway to see what took the Jedi posse so long?

If he helped capture of kill Sidious, end of story. Balance of the Force restored.

yes he could have.

he could have stood there and watched mace kill palps.

since he was the one who got close enough to palps to learn the truth,
and he was the one who revealed that truth, anakin would have still been
the catalyst for the destruction of the sith. so no, i dont believe turning to the
darkside was part of his destiny, but the horrible side effect of denying his destiny. once he turns back and anakin is reborn, he fulfils the destiny he should have fulfilled 20 years previous.

Hmmmm, here's another thought...

At one point, I thought I heard the prophecy quoted as "bringing balance to the force" (in TPM maybe?)

Only in III did I hear Obi Wan say "It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them!" Perhaps that is just what he wanted to BELIEVE the prophecy meant?

So, if Anakin was just to "bring balance to the Force" and we think "out of the box" and play with other things that were said....

1. I think that Darth Plagues was Sideous' master. He had an evil grin when he mentioned the apprentice killing Plagues and later says that his master taught him all about the Force (having previously said that Plauges "taught his apprentice everything he knew"😉.
2. Palps said that Darth Plagues could influence the midiclorians (sp?) to "create life".
3. Go one step further with that... what if Plagues did that to create Anakin?
4. There were a lot of Jedi and only two Sith.
5. At the end of III, we only see two Jedi (Obi Wan & Yoda). There may have been others, but Yoda sensed no one and we can only go by what we see if we stick strictly to the movies. We know there are two Sith (Vader and Sidious).

Sounds like "balance" to me 🙂

oh please lets not go down that road again 😖

GL stated clearly that the sith destroy balance, they dont play into it

Sorry, I've only seen the movies, not interviews and such. I was speaking strictly from what I observed in the movies.

Originally posted by PVS
oh please lets not go down that road again 😖

GL stated clearly that the sith destroy balance, they dont play into it

I don't care what GL says. I care about the movies 😛 LOLOLOL for me, balance is Shadow and light, Day and night, Man and Female. I think he brought balance by going to the darkside and at the end, something like, enough of sith rule and BAM down the hole with palp

Entirely incorrect view on things. What GL says is canon, since it comes from the creator's mouth. The Sith even existing means the Force is thrown off balance; only when they are entirely destroyed and out of existance can the Force be balanced.

Anakin, I think, was fated to fall. There was no other way; even if Palpatine had not managed to turn him had he not gone, Mace would have been killed (but let's not start THAT discussion...), Anakin was already on his way down the Dark Path. I believe he began his fall as soon as he did not kill Palpatine when the Sith Lord made himself obvious.

i know this is going down the road of ''what ifs'' buuuuuuuuuuuut if the sith ever returned ,would there be another chosen one since ani died

The Sith can't return. 😉

Originally posted by Captain REX
Entirely incorrect view on things. What GL says is canon, since it comes from the creator's mouth.

does it not amaze you how many fanboys cant grasp such a simple concept as that?

It really makes no difference either way.. he was the chosen one.. the one who would bring balance to the force.. thats all that matters.. the how & why arent as big a deal the FACT that he IS the one to bring balance.. however one cannot disregard the notion of free will.. it was a CHOICE anakin made.. that comes from GL's mouth as well.. that it was a choice to turn.. had he not turned when he did then yes at some point he still would have killed Sids.. it just would have happened in a different way.. he was FATED to bring balance.. his CHOICE only delayed his destiny IMO

Yes, PVS, yes it does...

I agree, it didn't make difference if he was evil or good, the choice of the Dark Side delayed it, he was still the Chosen One. However, he was destined to make that choice, it just wasn't predicted that he would.

I don't think he was preordained to fall to the dark side. If he was fated to do so...where is the free agency, personal choice? Wasn't that the whole point?