I've always thought that had he merely killed Sidious when he had the saber to his throat, balance would be restored.
i wonder if he would have been expelled from the order when everyone found out about him and padme and their child and what would happen to them next
imagine the skywalker family without metal limbs intheir full power vs. obi-wan, mace, and yoda...
i must write now...
Anniken was the chosen one, he was made by the metachlorians killed loads of Jedi and killed Darth sidious.
What "the balance" actually is is another question. There were more Jedi´s running arround than Sith´s from what I saw, this was a definite inbalance. That Anniken helped slaughter them may have caused the Balance.
Or maybe because Sidious was so powerfull killing him helped the balance.Aniken again.
Or if you think more deeply, maybe because these "force users" were controlling or influencing the galaxy bumping a few of them off would give the normal people a chance to decide stuff. Anniken definetly played a part in this to
Nice to see a topic that has brought forth some serious discussion.
A few things I want to note tho, when I started this topic it wasn't in the vein of "what if" per se, it was more of a question of whether or not it was NECESSARY for Anakin to become a Sith in order to fulfill his destiny. My apologies, if the topic seemed to read the other way.
I think that Mace could have taken Palpatine, I really do, therefore that makes me wonder if Anakin had just stayed in the Temple if it would have made a difference since it was HE and not Mace that was going to fulfill the prophecy.
Back to work I go..... 🙁
I believe the clues are in the films
...Anakin had to become Vader it was his destiny, foreseen by Palpatine
...it is when Luke arrives on the scene again in the OT that Palpatine has trouble "reading" Vader's feelings.
Vader/Anakin is affected by Luke initially to his force sensitivity, then in ESB, felt some need to bring Luke into his sphere of influence in an attempt to kill Palpatine ( and rule as Sith father and Sith Apprentice son?).
Finally, in ROTJ, when emotions overule his Dark Side obedience to his master, the Chosen One returns (Return of the Jedi?) and restores balance to the force.
At the time of Episode III I don't believe Anakin was strong enough in the Force to take out Palpatine and destroy the Sith. But this is the fault of the Jedi - they held him back, didn't let him become all he could have. He wanted "more" but the Jedi couldn't (or didn't) give it to him.
This whole topic is kind of a 'what if' thing though, because, at least in my opinion, the whole situation (the whole saga) is the work of destiny. Everything was fated to happen the way it did. Or was it? hmm... yes, I'm starting to see the conundrum here. It's mindboggling really.
If it was Anakin's 'fate' to destroy the Sith, was it also his fate to become a Sith? Or did Palpatine interupt destiny's work and 'the universe', the 'higher powers' had to change their plan? hmm... I'm getting that strange feeling you get when you start to think about life and your significance in the greater scheme of things... it's rather unsettling.
Let me think about this...
Anakin was the Chosen One, there is no doubt about that. And the Chosen One, according to a prophecy is the one 'who will bring balance to the Force'. So it is Anakin's destiny to destroy the Sith. Which he does. You'd think the easiest way for this to happen would be for Anakin to be trained as a Jedi (the most powerful Jedi) so he can just take the Sith out. Which is probably what should have happened, and what would have happened had the Jedi not been dumbarses and follow a stupid code and instead follow the Force, like Qui Gon did.
So then, I guess my opinion is that no, it wasn't his destiny to become a Sith. Because that would kind of make the whole thing a bit pointless...
I'm gonna bring this up in here also as it kinda relates to destiny as well... It is inferred (not exactly said) that the Chosen One would be concieved by the midichlorians (eww, the m word). And it is also inferred that Palpatine (or Plageuis, whatever, it doesn't matter) is able to 'influence the midichlorians to create life'. Actually, that's not an inference, he flat-out says that. What we are left to infer is that Palpatine influenced the midichlorians to create Anakin (who was concieved by the midichlorians).
Now, was this also the destiny of the Chosen One? That the Chosen One - the one who would destroy the Sith for good - would in fact be created by the Sith themselves... ?
It's late now, and all this thinking is too drastic a change on KMC for my poor brain to be able to handle... I shall retire for the night.
Devil Dodo wrote: Anakin was the Chosen One, there is no doubt about that. And the Chosen One, according to a prophecy is the one 'who will bring balance to the Force'. So it is Anakin's destiny to destroy the Sith. Which he does. You'd think the easiest way for this to happen would be for Anakin to be trained as a Jedi (the most powerful Jedi) so he can just take the Sith out. Which is probably what should have happened, and what would have happened had the Jedi not been dumbarses and follow a stupid code and instead follow the Force, like Qui Gon did.
Devil D, life is never easy and is filled with paths we can't forsee. Is it possible that the most powerful Jedi is only equally balanced with the most powerful Sith? If we view the Force as a cosmic balance, time has no meaning...it is infinite time, so it does not matter (in the overall scheme of the SW cosmos) how long it took for balance to be restored, just that it would eventually occur.
SithHappens is right. Anakin should have been trained by Qui-Gon. Obi-Wan was stupid. He allowed Anakin the same mistakes that he, Obi, himself made. Qui-gon on the other hand, being a jedi master and in tune with the force, would've sensed when Anakin slaughtered the Sand people, and he'd'a b*tch-slapped anakin around like nothing. Tho, Padme could've told obi-wan something along the lines of "I fear for anakin, he may be starting down the path of what jedi call the dark side, he killed tuskin raiders, even the innocent children."
Originally posted by ShadowKing
Devil D, life is never easy and is filled with paths we can't forsee. Is it possible that the most powerful Jedi is only equally balanced with the most powerful Sith? If we view the Force as a cosmic balance, time has no meaning...it is infinite time, so it does not matter (in the overall scheme of the SW cosmos) how long it took for balance to be restored, just that it would eventually occur.
Though I agree - I think. But what's all this talk about time? That's kinda random.
I just meant...(and good morning over there on your side of the planet) that in the statement you made about how it would have been easier if Anakin were trained without holding him back he would have defeated Palps. I don't think in the "legend" of the chosen one it said that he would bring balance quickly.
As Master Yoda said (not exactly) "misread the prophecy could've been." So could the part in which "the balance of the force." As I have read and seen, few jedi survived alond w/ luke, obi, and yoda, though not mentioned, they survived. (be it youngling, padawans, apprentices, knights and master, they survived maybe not 100 but a few.)
yes 2 sith, and many people believe that it has to be 2 sith=2 jedi, but not nessacerely, which this brings me to the error/misreading in the "balance of the force"
though 2 sith may weigh 500 whatevers on the force
and 30 jedi could weigh 500 whatevers on the foce making it balanced.
balance to the force does not mean "body count" BUT will.
and the prophecy states he will bring balance to ther force, which is what any/vader did, while he lived (my prevoius paragragh tells MY OPINION) but wen vadar parished balance of the force was shifted to the light side, proving the prophecy true for anakin, becuase when he lived balance was equal, when he perished light side won.
(NONE OF what i have said is true, just opinion, you can critisize me, but remember its all opinion except!!! other jedi remaining from episode 3-6, becuase there were a few. THATS TRUE)