Originally posted by demigawd
Yeah, I'm sure in a no-prep fight people like Taskmaster, Midnighter and Deathstroke are going to fall right in line behind captain america. They're all going to be barking orders at each other. Midnighter is going to be like, "listen to ME, I can calculate millions of scenarios in a second", Deathstroke is going to be like, "no, listen to ME, I can calculate TENS of millions of scenarios in a second", Cap is gonna be like, "No, listen to ME, because...I'm Captain America", and while they're just trying to organize, Wonder Woman would have already dispatched half the team. So you can take the idea that this is going to be some kind of organized fighting unit right off the table...cluster**** advantage goes to Wonder Woman.
Agreed
Originally posted by demigawd
Which are all things I'd say would come very much in handy against, like, Superman. Or Darkseid. But this is a collection of street levels. She can take almost all of them out with one shot, one throw car. Some thrown bricks. A big breath. A big clap. A tree made into a bat. I mean, I could go on and on about how she can use her extraordinary strength to kill every last one of them from 20 feet away.
But they aren't going to simply stand there, she isn't invurnerable like superman, and if she is pelted by a good amount of shots, by Cap's shield and etc., than she can be overcome, these guys have enough accuracy and speed to overwhelme her. WW is superior, but she is lacking major defense, offense, and evasion that made her superior, she's like a watered down hulk here, VERY watered down in defensive terms.
Originally posted by demigawd
You're hedging your bets here, Cordera. Are you arguing that she'd win with more difficulty than I'm describing, or are you arguing that she'd lose?
I'm arguing that if he wins it would be with more difficulty. Not a clear shot.
Originally posted by demigawd
You're talking about recently? She was blind!
Not recently, he has before. I am in NO way suggesting that he can beat her alone.
Originally posted by demigawd
If she can deflect hails of gunfire, I'm thinking that she's quick enough to dodge them, too. Bullseye is one of the best shots in DC or Marvel, and Daredevil makes him miss. Wonder Woman dodges large scale energy projectiles. I doubt she's troubled by some gunfire.
Now in a hypothetical match, you'd have to assume that they are going at their best, and are subject A and B. Villans are getting in ridiculous wins and losses from left to right. This can be said when a strong superhero is unable to knock out a weak one.
Its hard to predict from that many angles, and I'm sure DS and cap will be the key factors here. If they stay alive, it is POSSIBLE that she will be overwhelmed.
You've missed a lot in your down time, Draco. You have yet to encounter the recent wave of rabid Superman fans. They're beyond foolish, trivial concepts such as logic.
Lookie here.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBut they aren't going to simply stand there, she isn't invurnerable like superman, and if she is pelted by a good amount of shots
Which Diana will avoid, dodge, and laugh off. Her reflexes are on par with Superman. They simply cannot hit her. And if by an odd stroke of luck they do, they will do absolutely no damage.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
by Cap's shield and etc.,
WW will speedblitz them and take any weapons they have to batter them into unconsciousness and put them in her overflowing trophy room
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
these guys have enough accuracy and speed to overwhelme her.
No they don't. You're dreaming. Please.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
WW is superior,
Vastly, vastly, vastly superior.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
but she is lacking major defense,
Please. She was hit by FIVE hyper velocity punches by Zoom. Landed with immense explosions all over the world. And she was taunting him the entire time. Please.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
offense,
Pfft. Nearly as strong as Superman. Many times faster than sound.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
and evasion
She can dodge laser beams, blows from the Flash and Zoom, and hails of bullets....but she can't avoid ten guys punching and kicking her. Pfft.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
that made her superior, she's like a watered down hulk here, VERY watered down in defensive terms.
You have NO idea what you're talking about. Please. This sentence alone shows how little you know about her character.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm arguing that if he wins it would be with more difficulty. Not a clear shot.
About as difficult as stepping on ant with a steel-toe boot.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Not recently, he has before. I am in NO way suggesting that he can beat her alone.
There may be hope for you yet
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Now in a hypothetical match,
Take out hypothetical...good....now but in "illogical, mindboggling, complete PIS-ridden bullshit that makes Spider-Man vs Firelord look like a federal document" then you close to what you're arguing
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
you'd have to assume that they are going at their best, and are subject A and B. Villans are getting in ridiculous wins and losses from left to right. This can be said when a strong superhero is unable to knock out a weak one.
Waitaminute. Cap and the others will be "at their best". But Wonder Woman will suddenly lose her superspeed, durability and super-strength for this fight. In your arguements she isn't fighting at her best. Sounds hypocritical doesn't it?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its hard to predict from that many angles,
It's VERY easy to predict if you manage to put aside rampish fanboyism and accept the goddamn truth. Any sense of logic would tell you that WW wins easily.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
and I'm sure DS and cap will be the key factors here.
What the **** will Cap do? Throw his shield. WW will catch it...and decapitate him with it.
Deathstroke? Split in twain.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
If they stay alive, it is POSSIBLE that she will be overwhelmed.
About as possible as George W. Bush impregnating Saddam Hussein and naming their lovechild Cassidy Jones.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You've missed a lot in your down time, Draco. You have yet to encounter the recent wave of rabid Superman fans. They're beyond foolish, trivial concepts such as logic.Lookie here.
Sweet Jesus. They MUST be exterminated.
😈
Originally posted by kgkg
how fast is WW?Superman was too fast for her in recent issues
Superman is faster. However we cannot really tell EXACTLY how fast she is. We can only guesstimate. HOWEVER she is rather fast. She kept up with the likes of Jesse Quick and the Flash. And she zigzagged around the world to keep an eye on White Martians. She can certainly reach escape velocity rather easily though.
If your referring to the Superman/Wonder Woman "battle" in his comic I'm afraid I must call bull****. In HER comics Superman often came out with broken bones and bloody bruises.
Originally posted by Draco69
Superman is faster. However we cannot really tell EXACTLY how fast she is. We can only guesstimate. HOWEVER she is rather fast. She kept up with the likes of Jesse Quick and the Flash. And she zigzagged around the world to keep an eye on White Martians. She can certainly reach escape velocity rather easily though.If your referring to the Superman/Wonder Woman "battle" in his comic I'm afraid I must call bull****. In HER comics Superman often came out with broken bones and bloody bruises.
can you give me issue number where Wonder Woman did well agasin't superman
Originally posted by snoopdogg
In the Wizard JLA special issue they published they said her top speed was between mach 2 or 3.They said Superman was 99% speed of light.(on Earth)
Mach 2? That's not even the speed of sound. That's entirely false. She can go MUCH MUCH faster than that. She once ran from Themyscira to China in under a minute.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeNow that is not true.
Check out Supes vs. Surfer. Superman will win, but no one can come up with a reason why. 😘
If you were paying attention you guys were saying Norrin was gonna do this or gonna do that and we gave examples of Superman overcoming similar situations.
Go ahead Draco read it. Its not farfetched.
Originally posted by Draco69I thought mach 1 was speed of sound.
Mach 2? That's not even the speed of sound. That's entirely false. She can go MUCH MUCH faster than that. She once ran from Themyscira to China in under a minute.
So mach 3 would be 3x the speed of sound.
Anyways I didnt write the issue Wizard did. Its on page 76 cause Im looking at it right now.
Originally posted by kgkg
I see thankscan you give me issue number where Wonder Woman did well agasin't superman
I don't have the exact issue numbers because 1) I'm bush-tired from work and 2) I'm too lazy to look for it.
HOWEVER, I will give you the backgrounds. The most recent one was during the Phil Jimenez era where she and Kal beat the living crap out of each other. Diana had her arm disclocated and Kal had his ribs broken.
The other fights were rather inconclusive because they were holding back against each other. However they fared well against each other. In an interesting note, WW's lasso actually managed to cut his skin due to it's magical nature.
Which bolsters the arguement for what a certain magical hammer to the head will do to Superman....