Wonder Woman VS upper street-levelers

Man, this turned into a decent thread. Just to clear something up for the few people who were unclear: this is WW versus the whole group all at once, one on one would be ridiculous.

Seriously though, I definitely see the group taking this. Midnighter can cloud the minds of others, making himself invisible to people a few feet away or with enhanced senses. He can plot every possible move she can make, and be reacting as soon as he sees her twitch. Deathstroke is fast enough to give Speed Force users trouble, and has the weapons and know-how to hurt metas with comparable durability. Black Panther is above peak human, wears a suit that absorbs kinetic impact, and a set of vibranium claws and an energy knife that can slice into heavy duty steel with ease. Taskmaster has an energy projector that lets him mimic Wolverine's claws, Spidey's webbing and Cap's shield, along with a huge variety of fighting styles and the ability to move at double peak human speeds. Captain America knows every fighting style on earth, and has a shield that has taken hits from various versions of Thor with little or no trouble. Given half a chance, Iron Fist will put a hurting on her with his chi fist. wolverine has taken hits from the Hulk and kept coming, hell, he's been kncocked into orbit and survived.

Frankly, I'd give the team of Deathstroke, Midnighter, Wolverine and Captain America a chance at a couple wins out of ten. With all these other insane fighters to keep her busy, I seriously think Wonder Woman is getting beat down here.

Originally posted by Khellendros
Man, this turned into a decent thread. Just to clear something up for the few people who were unclear: this is WW versus the whole group all at once, one on one would be ridiculous.

Seriously though, I definitely see the group taking this. Midnighter can cloud the minds of others, making himself invisible to people a few feet away or with enhanced senses. He can plot every possible move she can make, and be reacting as soon as he sees her twitch. Deathstroke is fast enough to give Speed Force users trouble, and has the weapons and know-how to hurt metas with comparable durability. Black Panther is above peak human, wears a suit that absorbs kinetic impact, and a set of vibranium claws and an energy knife that can slice into heavy duty steel with ease. Taskmaster has an energy projector that lets him mimic Wolverine's claws, Spidey's webbing and Cap's shield, along with a huge variety of fighting styles and the ability to move at double peak human speeds. Captain America knows every fighting style on earth, and has a shield that has taken hits from various versions of Thor with little or no trouble. Given half a chance, Iron Fist will put a hurting on her with his chi fist. wolverine has taken hits from the Hulk and kept coming, hell, he's been kncocked into orbit and survived.

Frankly, I'd give the team of Deathstroke, Midnighter, Wolverine and Captain America a chance at a couple wins out of ten. With all these other insane fighters to keep her busy, I seriously think Wonder Woman is getting beat down here.

This is where I agree, one on one IS ridiculous.

The thing is Wonder Woman is AWESOME, but she is removed from what makes her shine the most. She isn't as durable as superman, and is going against like 30-40 powers at once. That, and Captain America's leadership, lead me to believe that he can get the others to take WW down, but after a hard fight.

People always use the example of WW being taken off guard by Batman in sparring matches. Deathstroke is in this equation, and I believe he, Captan America, and Iron Fist perhaps, are the deciding factors.

The problem with this thread is that the title itself says "upper street levelers" against them one on one she'd clobber them, but otherwise, I still need to consider. I had a hard enough time convincing everyone in the spiderman vs. trio thread, he was in bloodlust with ALL of his powers.

I don't think WW would even win 8/10, without a scratch, this would be no walk in the park.

My mind can be changed however.

Originally posted by long pig
[B]No, he couldn't.
Not when being stabbed by someone who can react and attack as fast as you can for the first few feet. Slade was even said to be FASTER in some areas.
If flash were to try to move before the blade begins to cut, Slade would simply move with him and continue with the stabbing.
Slade is nearly=Flash for the first few steps.

But again, there's a difference between being able to react as fast as someone the first few steps and being as fast as they are. There are no examples of Slade moving at 300mph at ANY steps. None. There are plenty of showings of him REACTING really fast, but reacting fast and moving fast are two different things. For example, your analogy below:

Obviously he can.
It's like this: If Flash and Slade were two feet in front of each other, and they were going to have an old fashioned style gun fight, and they both go for their own gun at the same time, they'd both reach, grab and point the gun at nearly the same speed.

This I agree with, because they are rivals in reaction time, in thinking speed. HOWEVER, what comes next is what makes the biggest difference. They grab and point the gun at the same speed, and perhaps Slade even pulls the trigger first. Flash's power comes into play at this point, because he is fast enough to see the bullet leaving its chamber and outrun it before it actually hits him. Like the example someone used in a previous post, he was able to hear a bullet coming, change into his outfit and find it all before it hit anyone. Slade could, like Flash, hear the bullet coming beforehand, perhaps even see it coming. He could NOT, change clothes and get people out of the way or anything else but possibly dodge it himself. That's the difference here. Ditto with Flash sensing a nuke start to go off, then clearing out the whole city before its blast radius engulfs the city. That's FTL reaction time AND speed.

See what I'm saying? Let's use this other example you referenced below:

Same thing with a knife fight, they'd pull their knives at nearly the same time and both would have an equal chance of stabbing the other for the first few steps, then Flash would go around him like he's standing still.

ok, in this case, they'd pull their knives at the same time, but they would NOT have an equal chance of stabbing the other. Their thought processes and initial reactions would be nearly identical, but by the time Slades strike came down, Flash would be long gone. Even if he began initial contact with Flash

No, it isn't.
Flash doesn't reach lightspeed from the first step, it takes him time to reach full speed. His normal cruising speed is around 300mph. He didn't have but maybe 7 feet to work with there, and since he went from being still to running, he probably didn't reach 300pmh yet.

If that were true, he wouldn't have been able to clear out a city in less than a second. If that were true, he wouldn't have been able to hear a bullet and change clothes and etc. If that were true he wouldn't have been able to instantly lend his speed to the JLA, taking the whole group into the speedforce right in the middle of another character's speech. But he has, because he can. And you're telling me that a guy who can react fast enough to save an entire city from a nuclear explosion AFTER IT STARTED suddenly can't save himself from some dynamite? I don't think so.

But back on topic - the scan you posted specifically said that Slade MAY be faster, but WW is slowed by her outfit and the absurdity of the whole situation. She then proceeded to tussle for a bit, and ended the fight with one punch. Slade has the best durability of the group and he was taken out with one shot. The others have no chance, and there are too many leaders to properly organize. I can't remember - is there prep in this fight? If not, the team is doubly screwed. It'll be over before the tactical minds even get on the same page. She's not going against a well-organized team, here. She's going against a collection of egos and individuals. That works to HER advantage, not theirs.

What the ****?! That's all I can say. Jesus Christ. No matter what I do. No matter the facts or logic. She's STILL underestimated. And reduced to this stinking pile of bullshit.

And the DD vs. WW is pure crap. That was the Messing/Loeb era. She was IMMENSELY depowered during that era. For some odd reason they tried to make her a street-leveler with enhanced strength. The Deathstroke vs. Wonder Woman fight is crap and pure PIS.

Oh and my best thumb-ups and salutes for demigawd for having some ****ing common sense and defending WW against a legion of illogical fanboys.

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Originally posted by Draco69
What the ****?! That's all I can say. Jesus Christ. No matter what I do. No matter the facts or logic. She's STILL underestimated. And reduced to this stinking pile of bullshit.

this fight is horribly one sided. just the team of cap and wolv could defeat her. they have both taken on the hulk 1 on 1, and her lasso isnt as good as caps shield

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
this fight is horribly one sided. just the team of cap and wolv could defeat her. they have both taken on the hulk 1 on 1, and her lasso isnt as good as caps shield

Originally posted by Draco69
Oh and my best thumb-ups and salutes for demigawd for having some ****ing common sense and defending WW against a legion of illogical fanboys.

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She wins against like 40 powers, with caps leadership, and ds tactical prowress, with no flying, bracers, rope, or bio field like superman?

Explain....

I just did, man. I wrote an entire scenario that explains it. She's 20+ times stronger and faster, she's got multiple ways of dealing with these guys from long range before any of them get near her, and she's going against a collection of egos and alpha males who have no prior experience working together. She's fought LEGIONS of enhanced meta beings over a period of 10,000 years who could, by themselves, beat this entire group. I'm not gonna argue the point forever, but I just don't see how they could win a majority against as skilled a warrior on so high a level as Wonder Woman.

There is a reason why she uses those braclets to deflect bullets, ya know? She can't handle it, and if she doesn't have them here, there are three guys who are dead shot accurate with guns, I'm doubting she'd last the first 10 shots.

To demi, Flash and Slade are both very inconsistant. That's all there really is to it.

Originally posted by demigawd
I just did, man. I wrote an entire scenario that explains it. She's 20+ times stronger and faster, she's got multiple ways of dealing with these guys from long range before any of them get near her, and she's going against a collection of egos and alpha males who have no prior experience working together. She's fought LEGIONS of enhanced meta beings over a period of 10,000 years who could, by themselves, beat this entire group. I'm not gonna argue the point forever, but I just don't see how they could win a majority against as skilled a warrior on so high a level as Wonder Woman.

I umderstand all of this, but she is going against captain america's leadership, who has led guys like Thor into battle.

She used her flight, bracers, and lasso to defeat that evil as well. She has none of it, NOR a bio field.

She is going against sooo many powers and angles here, she could win, but it isn't THAT easy.

I'm not just talking about LEVLS, I'm looking at the situation, batman has caught her off guard in training.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I umderstand all of this, but she is going against captain america's leadership, who has led guys like Thor into battle.

Yeah, I'm sure in a no-prep fight people like Taskmaster, Midnighter and Deathstroke are going to fall right in line behind captain america. They're all going to be barking orders at each other. Midnighter is going to be like, "listen to ME, I can calculate millions of scenarios in a second", Deathstroke is going to be like, "no, listen to ME, I can calculate TENS of millions of scenarios in a second", Cap is gonna be like, "No, listen to ME, because...I'm Captain America", and while they're just trying to organize, Wonder Woman would have already dispatched half the team. So you can take the idea that this is going to be some kind of organized fighting unit right off the table...cluster**** advantage goes to Wonder Woman.

She used her flight, bracers, and lasso to defeat that evil as well. She has none of it, NOR a bio field.

Which are all things I'd say would come very much in handy against, like, Superman. Or Darkseid. But this is a collection of street levels. She can take almost all of them out with one shot, one throw car. Some thrown bricks. A big breath. A big clap. A tree made into a bat. I mean, I could go on and on about how she can use her extraordinary strength to kill every last one of them from 20 feet away.

She is going against sooo many powers and angles here, she could win, but it isn't THAT easy.

You're hedging your bets here, Cordera. Are you arguing that she'd win with more difficulty than I'm describing, or are you arguing that she'd lose?

I'm not just talking about LEVLS, I'm looking at the situation, batman has caught her off guard in training.

You're talking about recently? She was blind!

There is a reason why she uses those braclets to deflect bullets, ya know? She can't handle it, and if she doesn't have them here, there are three guys who are dead shot accurate with guns, I'm doubting she'd last the first 10 shots.

If she can deflect hails of gunfire, I'm thinking that she's quick enough to dodge them, too. Bullseye is one of the best shots in DC or Marvel, and Daredevil makes him miss. Wonder Woman dodges large scale energy projectiles. I doubt she's troubled by some gunfire.

If I sink my claws into her......it's over.......naughty

Originally posted by Khellendros
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Yeah, or maybe she's just not as badass as you want everyone to believe.

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Your innane ramblings never cease to amaze me...

Seriously though, if you think a Superman level character would have any trouble curbstomping the sh** of these players it just goes to show how useless your posts are.

Originally posted by long pig
There is a reason why she uses those braclets to deflect bullets, ya know? She can't handle it, and if she doesn't have them here, there are three guys who are dead shot accurate with guns, I'm doubting she'd last the first 10 shots.

To demi, Flash and Slade are both very inconsistant. That's all there really is to it.

She can deflect Superman's heat vision and rapid fire alien gun laser beams at point-blank range...but ten shots are gonna put her down.

Pfft. 🙄

Wonder Woman is made out of dirt.

Demigawd....I think I'm in love with you. A calm rational mind not infected with the rabid fanboyism that seems to affect so many of our fellow comic book readers.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wonder Woman is made out of dirt.

Dirt from the sea. 😄

Originally posted by Draco69
She can deflect Superman's heat vision and rapid fire alien gun laser beams at point-blank range...but ten shots are gonna put her down.

Pfft. 🙄

Those beams were so powerful they dissentegrated Supergirl