What can Wolverine Survive?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From what we know he can take, from what we've seen him shrug off its not a dead cert that spidey with one blow will knock him out. Its just a possibility. Therefore I vote for Loki who at class 30 with his superhuman physical attributes makes it a dead cert. I personally would rather not vote for a possibility.

He's tied up lets remember: velocity, leverage, and inertia.

If you have an apple and hit it with a sledge hammer in midair, thats different from hitting it with one on the ground.

He's posted to an indestructable object, with an indestructable skull, the force he uses will be enough to cause his head to feel it.

His adamantium isn't absorbing blows, no different than if I were in an indestructable car and hitting a semi at high speeds. The car wouldn't cave in, like the skull, but I would move SEVERLY. That strong of metal doesn't absorb better, in fact it absorbs concussion worse.

Imagine a 30000 lb lifter, with the starting velocity of(300-400mph) the first second. If you've seen what an accomplished martial artist does, than you'd know that a person 150x stronger than that would do the job fine.

Spiderman has ko'ed people with a flick to the head, he;s made people get up, comics do that. In a hypothetical fight, he has more than what it takes in this situation.

Logan can't move, therefore the force of the blow affects him more, he cannot even roll off of it.

Peter gets to time and execute his attack to the perfect degree. Logan is going down fine.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He's tied up lets remember: velocity, leverage, and inertia.

If you have an apple and hit it with a sledge hammer in midair, thats different from hitting it with one on the ground.

He's posted to an indestructable object, with an indestructable skull, the force he uses will be enough to cause his head to feel it.

His adamantium isn't absorbing blows, no different than if I were in an indestructable car and hitting a semi at high speeds. The car wouldn't cave in, like the skull, but I would move SEVERLY. That strong of metal doesn't absorb better, in fact it absorbs concussion worse.

Imagine a 30000 lb lifter, with the starting velocity of(300-400mph) the first second. If you've seen what an accomplished martial artist does, than you'd know that a person 150x stronger than that would do the job fine.

Spiderman has ko'ed people with a flick to the head, he;s made people get up, comics do that. In a hypothetical fight, he has more than what it takes in this situation.

Logan can't move, therefore the force of the blow affects him more, he cannot even roll off of it.

Peter gets to time and execute his attack to the perfect degree. Logan is going down fine.

Like i said its a possibility CM. However based on Spidey and Wolverines past encounters, based on what i have seen wolverine take from the likes of hulk and thing without being knocked unconscious, it remains a possibility. With Loki with his far superior strength and durability its more or less a dead cert. Like i said before id rather place my vote on that

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Like i said its a possibility CM. However based on Spidey and Wolverines past encounters, based on what i have seen wolverine take from the likes of hulk and thing without being knocked unconscious, it remains a possibility. With Loki with his far superior strength and durability its more or less a dead cert. Like i said before id rather place my vote on that

Like I said going by that, Logan has been knocked out by weaker beingss, and he has a harder time against them.

I dare someone to conjure a list of 50' tonners that he consistently stands up to.

I'm not disagreeing persay, Im saying that matches like that are obviously there for entertainment, and such flaws are a poor source. Its like using an "F" paper to show to the class and study off of.

Why doesn't hulk punch wolverine into the horizon? Because it would be less entertaining, the writers are there to make money first and foremost, and with wolverine fans, it isn't hard to tell where that is going.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Like I said going by that, Logan has been knocked out by weaker beingss, and he has a harder time against them.

I dare someone to conjure a list of 50' tonners that he consistently stands up to.

I'm not disagreeing persay, Im saying that matches like that are obviously there for entertainment, and such flaws are a poor source. Its like using an "F" paper to show to the class and study off of.

Why doesn't hulk punch wolverine into the horizon? Because it would be less entertaining, the writers are there to make money first and foremost, and with wolverine fans, it isn't hard to tell where that is going.

If that were the gods honest truth then it really wouldnt matter. Its what happens in the comics, its what his abilities are and forever will be shown to be in the comics. Therefore as we're debating about how it would happen in the comics it really doesnt matter.

Loki would definitely take him out. Spideys a possibility. Therefore i say Loki.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Did I say there weren't any? I've read them all, and its basically the same song, no attempt at defining anything.

A great fighter of human stature can hurt wolverine, to say full force attacks from spiderman is just rediculous.

ummmm well yeah...you kinda.....did.....😕

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You've already said your points,and they don't change the fact of whats happening, 3 times given there's been no explanation isn't changing anyones mind.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Wolverine takes shots from spidey because writers aren't scientists, they aren't doctors, they are writers. They aren't writing the stories to be accurate, they are writing them to be entertaining. In reality, Spider-man would hit logan and he'd get whiplash. If that happened in the comics, there'd be no point to reading the comic.

If you want to argue that Spider-man has failed to K.O. Logan three times in the past, you're right. But I can also argue that, those writers had no idea what they were talking about, because based on scientific fact, the results would not be the same. So, if you want to look at this fight from the actual comics perspective, Spidey isn't K.O.ing Wolvie, if you want to look at it hypothetically, using science to prove points, then he should beat the crap out of him like it's nothing.

I have no wish to debate real world physics such as these to characters who live in a world where said physics do not apply.....I've already stated why on numerous different occasions so I'll refrain to reiderate...just understand that I'm arguing the characters as I've seen them, as I've come to know them....arguing otherwise is to argue characters I know nothing about since I've never read a comic where spidey and logan are bound by real world logic...cause in the real world they wouldn't exist....fair enough?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Again going by matches designed to leave a question mark.

Wolverine has been knocked out by weaker characters SEVERAL times, stop trying to ignore all of those points.

He takes damage to the head just like anyone else.

This argument is utterly ridiculous, the sheer force and velocity isn't instant, any concussive force THAT great is instant.

You and jinzin are using writing examples that are there to entertain, I don't think marvel has doctor and physics degrees.

Only children believe everything they read.

again..using the several examples you could scrounge up...while neglecting the multitudes of examples that suggest the opposite and then bantering about us picking things that suit our argument....

pffft...

what are those examples again? do you even know how said examples went down?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know about that. I have that comic its in my collection its F4 Vs X-men.

But how does that affect what i said? It doesnt really at all. The crux of my contribution to this thread is that Wolverine would get to Loki a class 30 and then go down. Keep up with the chain of thought boys.

thay can't I've pointed this out several times in the past...sometimes it's like having two completely different conversations with one person at a given time cause they can't retain trains of thought..

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nataku i said that wolverine has survived blows from the hulk and thing and has done so on many occassions. Posting that scan doesnt make that untrue. Its just a waste of a post. Ive already told you what the point of my comments were and their application in this thread achieved that aim.

If id said in the context of this thread (i.e he's tied up) that wolverine could survive a full power blow from hulk or thing then you'd actually have a point.

As it stands the status of your post is rendered spam.

No, your original post only said he'd been taking blows from them, in the context that we'd said they'd knock him out. Afterwards you decided to further explain yourself, and say that was what you meant. I understand this, but if you want to act like what you originaly said is what you retconned it to be, then that is incorrect. You were not clear, and that is what I'm pointing out. Next time make sure you are clear on what you say, like you were in your second post after my quote. As it stands, you've posted the same thing more than once in this thread, so that is spam, right?

Stop trying to be a smartass, it doesn't fit you.

Originally posted by jinzin
I have no wish to debate real world physics such as these to characters who live in a world where said physics do not apply.....I've already stated why on numerous different occasions so I'll refrain to reiderate...just understand that I'm arguing the characters as I've seen them, as I've come to know them....arguing otherwise is to argue characters I know nothing about since I've never read a comic where spidey and logan are bound by real world logic...cause in the real world they wouldn't exist....fair enough?

Sure is. I got no problem with that, but it is frustrating when people don't want to accept the fact that based on real world logic, things would be different. They act like the comics ARE the real world logic, and it drives me mad.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Sure is. I got no problem with that, but it is frustrating when people don't want to accept the fact that based on real world logic, things would be different. They act like the comics ARE the real world logic, and it drives me mad.

I understand the implications that so called "real world logic" implies. the only thing frusturating about this in my opinion is that people seem to only want to apply it to certain aspects of a fight instead of applying it to every aspect of the character... it's in my opinion, somewhat nonsensical....

but if we can agree to disagree...(or whatever we are doing right now)...then I'll just leave it at that...

Originally posted by jinzin
again..using the several examples you could scrounge up...while neglecting the multitudes of examples that suggest the opposite and then bantering about us picking things that suit our argument....

pffft...

what are those examples again? do you even know how said examples went down?

This again? Did you listen to what I said, obviously you can't counter it.

Marvel agrees, whatever.

You're telling me that you agree with marvels opinion 100%, which you don't. Only when it supports you.

At least when I disagree I can explain why, you haven't. Youve given me the same thing over and over.

This is a hypothetical match, he can do it. If it was comics, it would never matter.

Mr selective, care telling me why DS couldn't touch wolverine, or are you going to say wolverine is too fast?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If that were the gods honest truth then it really wouldnt matter. Its what happens in the comics, its what his abilities are and forever will be shown to be in the comics. Therefore as we're debating about how it would happen in the comics it really doesnt matter.

Loki would definitely take him out. Spideys a possibility. Therefore i say Loki.

Its a hypothetical match, thats where I'm getting at. I still agree for the most part, mr. "peter only lifts 10 tons"

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This again? Did you listen to what I said, obviously you can't counter it.

Marvel agrees, whatever.

You're telling me that you agree with marvels opinion 100%, which you don't. Only when it supports you.

At least when I disagree I can explain why, you haven't. Youve given me the same thing over and over.

This is a hypothetical match, he can do it. If it was comics, it would never matter.

Mr selective, care telling me why DS couldn't touch wolverine, or are you going to say wolverine is too fast?

umm I already covered the ds thing in another thread..try and keep it there..as for this....you seem to think that one feat has more precedence over another when the second feat has taken place more often....

again...please state these several examples you speak of, and explain why they are more relivant than the multitudes of occasions where logans taken more.

Originally posted by jinzin
umm I already covered the ds thing in another thread..try and keep it there..as for this....you seem to think that one feat has more precedence over another when the second feat has taken place more often....

again...please state these several examples you speak of, and explain why they are more relivant than the multitudes of occasions where logans taken more.

1.) This has been covered

2) One feat? Its inconsistent as hell, which one feat are you speaking of?

Thats why this is a hypothetical match, I've already agreed with nataku.

I've still had none of these points countered, so you are submitting.

Originally posted by jinzin
thay can't I've pointed this out several times in the past...sometimes it's like having two completely different conversations with one person at a given time cause they can't retain trains of thought..

You say the same song, and miss everything I say, so I gotta rinse it down for you.

Why isn't he doing this, because he said so.

Its the same song, you're not convincing anyone.

what points? you have not answered any of my recent questions over the last few days...does that mean you submitted to them?

like cresh said it doesn't work that way...if I don't reply to your so-called "points" it's either cause I've already debated them, someone else has, or they are ot worth the time to debate....

by "one feat" I meant that you have an example of something that happened...I have 3 examples of something else that's happened...yet you think your example takes preciedence over mine....why?

also...what examples where you reffering to?

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You say the same song, and miss everything I say, so I gotta rinse it down for you.

Why isn't he doing this, because he said so.

Its the same song, you're not convincing anyone.

I don't have to..anyone with haf a brain can read the posts for themselves and if they can follow the trains of thought, they can find the tangents. all I was doing was agreeing with GS, not trying to "convince" anyone...

Originally posted by jinzin
what points? you have not answered any of my recent questions over the last few days...does that mean you submitted to them?

like cresh said it doesn't work that way...if I don't reply to your so-called "points" it's either cause I've already debated them, someone else has, or they are ot worth the time to debate....

by "one feat" I meant that you have an example of something that happened...I have 3 examples of something else that's happened...yet you think your example takes preciedence over mine....why?

also...what examples where you reffering to?

You and cresh are the only ones here, using things that suit only to you, I've fuly answered your questions. And you two and wolviboys, are the only ones that don't want to accept it.

You try to use feats which logan cannot accomplish, and cresh thinks logan has superhuman strength and agility.

You haven't debated anything, you just go on and on about them, because you cannot counter them.

Here's the pitiful arguments:

" He heals before the damage is taken."

"Marvel doesn't agree."

" His brain is trained to take less damage over the years.

The point was to discredit its own self, you like to use crossovers, and by that means wolverine isn't getting knocked out, I said that. You are just missing parts you cannot counter, you do it all the damned time.

You can't tell me in an hypothetical argument WHY he cannot, because you know you'll get your points shot down, just like the ones above.

You don't like it so it cannot happen, its all the same song.

If you read the thread, you'd obviously see the points were made.

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't have to..anyone with haf a brain can read the posts for themselves and if they can follow the trains of thought, they can find the tangents. all I was doing was agreeing with GS, not trying to "convince" anyone...

You would have seen that I and Nataku are agreeing, stop trying to argue then.