Originally posted by Neverread the thread again. I already covered this.
Um, how do you heal a burn before you are actually burned? Heal a cut before you are cut? Wolverine isn't The Hulk insofar that his gamma radiation is a form of cancer -- the angrier/stressed he gets, the faster he heals (remember what Vector did to him? Recall Hulk healing his guts so fast that his hand got stuck in there? Recall Gladiator burning that hole Hulk's chest?)If he healed before it affected it him, it would never affect him right? Unless I'm not understanding what you are saying correctly.
As far as his adamantium absorbing impact, then why is he ever knocked out? Again, adamantium isn't vibranium. It doesn't negate impact. If you punch Wolverine, he's moving.
That was just more...interesting writing. We sit here and debate this crap because writers are NOT consistent. It is akin to writing code -- everyone writes/interprets his abilities a tad differently.
Wolverine is NOT a rival of Hulk's.
I don't even see the point of what you just did there... seriously, I don't see what "any" was.
Anyway,let me rephrase and say any good or accurate ones.
He heals BEFORE inital trauma, unconsciousness is damage( a state), and marvel disagrees aren't really convincing anyone, though they have been covered, thoroughly, especially the last2 pages.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIt'd be more accurate to say there haven't been any that you like. . .of course you hate wolverine, so we have to use him at his weakest showings, rather than mid level or best showing. . .as opposed to other characters where it depends on who they are facing as to which showing we use, right?
I don't even see the point of what you just did there... seriously, I don't see what "any" was.Anyway,let me rephrase and say any good or accurate ones.
He heals BEFORE inital trauma, unconsciousness is damage( a state), and marvel disagrees aren't really convincing anyone, though they have been covered, thoroughly, especially the last2 pages.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI already pointed out that the secret wars is bad writing. the other one has two other times that match where wolverine isn't knocked out by spiderman.
blah blah blah, its all been covered, because he's flying 20 feet, from a flick with no leverage, but he can't move a tombstone.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBecause I haven't refuted a point I agree to it?
They haven't been rebutted, so you've submitted.
No I'm sorry it doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I already pointed out that the secret wars is bad writing. the other one has two other times that match where wolverine isn't knocked out by spiderman.Because I haven't refuted a point I agree to it?
No I'm sorry it doesn't work that way.
says who, you?? You judge whats bad writing to suit you. Siderman can EASILY send logan flying. Were YOU that same person, who tried to tell me that a logan punch would logically send peter flying on the roof top?
The writing is inconsistant, you've done little to say how the force is counterd, because you can't and you resort to chopping points down.
I disagree, but I put my points up there many times, you've countered them zero, him healing BEFORE the trauma means nothing.
Get that speculation correct.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellBeing sent flying is not a defeat. Superman gets sent flying from time to time but comes back. . . As well as when Thanos was fighting Odin. Thanos got sent flying but then came right back to the fight.
says who, you?? You judge whats bad writing to suit you. Siderman can EASILY send logan flying. Were YOU that same person, who tried to tell me that a logan punch would logically send peter flying on the roof top?
It's bad because nightcrawler is unable to teleport out of the webbing . . . why would he even struggle with it when he normally just teleports out of situations like that? Nightcrawler forgot he could teleport?
That's stupidity on the part of Nightcrawler, CIS.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellCountered by what?
The writing is inconsistant, you've done little to say how the force is counterd, because you can't and you resort to chopping points down.
So what if it's inconsistant. . EVERY character has inconsistant writing. . does that mean we use them at their weakest showings at all times?
Spiderman has had his fair share of inconsistency. Does that mean that street level characters can hit him? or that slow moving, gently lobbed bombs will always hit him?
Why does inconsistency mean we use their weakest showings for wolverine and only wolverine?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIf he heals before the damage effects him, it's not going to effect him.
I disagree, but I put my points up there many times, you've countered them zero, him healing BEFORE the trauma means nothing.
Anybody can bleed to death, but if they heal before they bleed to death they aren't going to bleed to death.
Or despite someone receiving a wound that they'd bleed to death, they sreceive the medical attention to heal them. . they still bleed to death?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellMine's wrong and yours is right? Again, is your opinion more important than mine?
Get that speculation correct.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAs death is also a state.
unconsciousness is a state, not damage....
You get to that state through the damage.
But if you heal from the damage before you arrive at the state, you'll never arrive at the state.
Again, if a person is damaged and as a reslt of that damage will die, then if the person heals from the damage, before they die then they will not die.
Originally posted by Creshosk
As death is also a state.You get to that state through the damage.
But if you heal from the damage before you arrive at the state, you'll never arrive at the state.
Again, if a person is damaged and as a reslt of that damage will die, then if the person heals from the damage, before they die then they will not die.
Death is a state, and its not determined, by "damage" all the time, nor how much, it isn't a video game.
Coma's are like that, the brain is shut down, and they are in fine health otherwise (damage), a ko' is a ko.
The hits of such concussive force represent those so great, as to kill a creature no matter the size, an instant brain shut down, slashing, piercing, and thrusting is different..
The head of that person, would be fine for most proificiencies, but not concussive, since the force goes back to which is given.
He's bound up, the inertia remains, its an apple on a hammer.
Written, he'll never get ko'ed for obvious reasons.
Hypothetically/debate: hell yes, a trained hitter could do so, he takes the damage like a human. Such GREAT force from peter( the one who ko's people with a flick to the face), would have enough strength to. The resistor won't break nor absorb, as its indestructable, and not too tough...
Indestructable pole, makes it that much more going against him, he cant stay conscious from an unpulled hit, it doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou mean a person isn't killed by taking damage? So if you chop someone up they'd sytill be alive?
Death is a state, and its not determined, by "damage" all the time, nor how much, it isn't a video game.
Shoot them, drop them in acid. . and in either case they'd still be alive?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellTo you who want's to use Wolverine at his weakest instead of what he is on average. . .
Indestructable pole, makes it that much more going against him, he cant stay conscious from an unpulled hit, it doesn't make sense.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellI'm not saying he's not going to take the damage, I'm saying he's going to heal before it effects him.
Nope because logan takes damage no differently than you or I do, he accelerates it.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellPowering down his opponents is a fanboy spidey power.
A ko from a single hit is INSTANT, you know this so you want to dance around it. To say he is healing BEFORE the instant, is saying that he heals before the trauma, thats a fanboy wolveirne power.
KO is not INSTANT. .
Untill you can find me a scan of Spiderman knock Wolverine out there is no way for me to beleive that he can.
I trust marvel on this more than I trust you on this.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm not saying he's not going to take the damage, I'm saying he's going to heal before it effects him.Powering down his opponents is a fanboy spidey power.
KO is not INSTANT. .
Untill you can find me a scan of Spiderman knock Wolverine out there is no way for me to beleive that he can.
I trust marvel on this more than I trust you on this.
Again going by matches designed to leave a question mark.
Wolverine has been knocked out by weaker characters SEVERAL times, stop trying to ignore all of those points.
He takes damage to the head just like anyone else.
This argument is utterly ridiculous, the sheer force and velocity isn't instant, any concussive force THAT great is instant.
You and jinzin are using writing examples that are there to entertain, I don't think marvel has doctor and physics degrees.
Only children believe everything they read.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I already pointed out that the secret wars is bad writing. the other one has two other times that match where wolverine isn't knocked out by spiderman.Because I haven't refuted a point I agree to it?
No I'm sorry it doesn't work that way.
Wolverine is apparently immune to inertia and force.
This herein lies the reason, I'm not trying to convince the ones who disagree anything, because they haven't argued what I said accurately, and are just arguing to take up space.
The only people who disagree have been wolvie boys for the most part, the rest have not counterd an argument OR read my post. They are just saying, "marvel blah blah blah". Reading shown to the majority who don't know the difference, big whoop. To bad you can't argue my points of him staying conscious in a hypothetical match effectivley.
I've explicitly stated that marvels not letting him get ko'ed too bad this is a hypothetical match, the poor explanation of healing before inital trauma is wrong.
You are going by the history of a man who has been ko'ed by weaker characters, I'd love to see a list of class50 and up he's stood up to and has done fine, I didn't think you could find one.
One match by your definition, was the only non crossover, so? If one person votes here, and its the only person, does that mean that side is 100% correct? Thats poor proof, spiderman knocking wolverine by a smack has nothing to do with nightcrawler, and wolverine can be swatted like that, do to a correct potrayal of peters strength.
That being said, I'm waiting for a new opinion, one that is willing to listen and reason, and understand that wolveirne accelerates what he takes, he didn't just develop superhuman resistance to inital trauma overnight, which is the now poor explanation to why wolverine takes ridiculous damage now. I'm waiting for a person who can detect PIS/CIS, and they haven't posted yet....