Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
We've already been over how weaker hits have had greater effect, why are we using that one example that is badly inconsistent.Wolverine can survive it, but why would it have no effect, that's ridiculous.
it isn't inconsistant...spiderman's punches have had zero effect on wolverine 100% of the time..he's sent wolverine flying with one...was wolverine KOed? NO!
Originally posted by jinzin
first off the one shot was IN continuity so I don't see how secret wars takes more precedence than it does....
Hullo Jin. Where did I say that it was not in continuity?
secondly..."I bash away with everything I've got""i'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars"
"i've given him everything I've got. he just keeps coming"
how it is even debateable in your minds that spiderman was indeed holding back I have no idea...
My point is (was) Spiderman always holds back. If he was not, in MY opinion, you would have seen a different result.
him swatting wolvie upwards is alot different than him punching wolverine into solid and grounded objects...how would wolverine's body fly if he had nowhere to go but into the ground (which is basically where he was already at)?
I am not necessarily interested in anyone agreeing. More interested in getting people to understand my perspective.
His first punch? Looks like Wolverine leaned into the headstone. Yet, again, in another issue a backhand sends Wolverine flying. Inconsistent.
wait never...did you not just chastize someone for attempting to use real world physics to a comic book debate?
Perhaps "real world physics" is poor phrasing considering he was indirectly comparing adamantium's durability to granite. There is no basis for comparison.
spidey hit him with everything he had and couldn't bring wolvie down...spiderman punches aren't doing anything here...
But Archangel with regular strength ko'ed him? As did Omega Red (his death factor countered Wolvie's healing factor) in the X-Men relaunch (Jim Lee)? So....how do you explain that?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He doesn't think hulk can...
Not the Hulk who shattered asteroids and cracked open Onslaught's armor with one punch?
No way, not that Hulk.
Captain Marvel knocked out Superman with two punches, but Hulk cannot knock out Wolverine? Come come now.
I understand being a fan, but goodness.
Originally posted by Never
Hullo Jin. Where did I say that it was not in continuity?My point is (was) Spiderman always holds back. If he was not, in MY opinion, you would have seen a different result.
I am not necessarily interested in anyone agreeing. More interested in getting people to understand my perspective.
His first punch? Looks like Wolverine leaned into the headstone. Yet, again, in another issue a backhand sends Wolverine flying. Inconsistent.
Perhaps "real world physics" is poor phrasing considering he was indirectly comparing adamantium's durability to granite. There is no basis for comparison.
But Archangel with regular strength ko'ed him? As did Omega Red (his death factor countered Wolvie's healing factor) in the X-Men relaunch (Jim Lee)? So....how do you explain that?
Wolverine's brain would move, a harder metal wouldn't absorb as much impact, I don't think people truly understand the damage of a 30000 lifter with the starting velocity of (300-400) in the first second.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So who do you believe could knock out Wolverine with one punch?
seriously? I actually think anyone like in class 60 and above with decent skill and experience..... namor, thing, herc, thor, and hulk can do it....it's just a matter of beating the odds...they CAN do it but in an IN FIGHT scenario it's simply not likely because they would be focused on not being scewered which would take away from the confidence in attempting such a technique...being in a defensive scenario really limits your offensive options...for instance...I can take anyone down in a wrestling match...guys who have much more skill and experience than I don't use moves that are effective against most wrestlers because to make an offensive move leaves oneself open to attack...thus they limit their offensive options because they run the risk of getting taken down if they try to initiate an offensive strategy...I'm not sure if that makes sense...but anywho....
in an IN fight scenario..who knows...
if wolvie was just going to stand there and take it..I believe any one of these guys and people at their level have a good shot at it..
Originally posted by Never
Not the Hulk who shattered asteroids and cracked open Onslaught's armor with one punch?No way, not that Hulk.
Captain Marvel knocked out Superman with two punches, but Hulk cannot knock out Wolverine? Come come now.
I understand being a fan, but goodness.
Spiderman has ripped Iron Man 2020"s armor to pieces, so he wasn't punching his hardest,"in fear"
<<<"Hullo Jin. Where did I say that it was not in continuity?">>>
sorry I thought you were reffering to the one shot.....maybe you were reffering to another book then...my bad...
<<<"My point is (was) Spiderman always holds back. If he was not, in MY opinion, you would have seen a different result.">>>
so spiderman was lying to himself then? 😕
<<<"But Archangel with regular strength ko'ed him? As did Omega Red (his death factor countered Wolvie's healing factor) in the X-Men relaunch (Jim Lee)? So....how do you explain that?">>>
I don't but what is more consitant? him getting koed by anyone with near normal strength or him standing up to class 50 and above characters?
Originally posted by jinzin
sorry I thought you were reffering to the one shot.....maybe you were reffering to another book then...my bad...
No -- the 1981 Superman vs. Hulk.
so spiderman was lying to himself then? 😕
Convenient, exaggerated writing to illustrate a dire situation. Spiderman also said his reflexes are 45x quicker than that of a human's in **one** comic. Canon?
I don't but what is more consitant? him getting koed by anyone with near normal strength or him standing up to class 50 and above characters?
Well now. Is Punisher Class 50? Archangel? Elektra? Silver Samurai? Ogun? Cyber? Sabertooth? Marrow? Lady Deathstrike?
I'll bet dollars to donuts that you or any other individual will be hard-pressed to conjure forth a list of class 50 and above characters that Wolverine consistently "stands up to."
Hulk probably never kayoes Wolverine because that would be far too convenient a conclusion to one of the most popular battles in Marvel.
But please let's not pretend that Hulk is not capable of doing so.
And Cordera, in my post where I quoted you, I am agreeing with you (I was being sarcastic in it).
Originally posted by Never
No -- the 1981 Superman vs. Hulk.Convenient, exaggerated writing to illustrate a dire situation. Spiderman also said his reflexes are 45x quicker than that of a human's in **one** comic. Canon?
Well now. Is Punisher Class 50? Archangel? Elektra? Silver Samurai? Ogun? Cyber? Sabertooth? Marrow? Lady Deathstrike?
I'll bet dollars to donuts that you or any other individual will be hard-pressed to conjure forth a list of class 50 and above characters that Wolverine consistently "stands up to."
Hulk probably never kayoes Wolverine because that would be far too convenient a conclusion to one of the most popular battles in Marvel.
But please let's not pretend that Hulk is not capable of doing so.
Its a hero crossover, we must realize that people dont even know that spiderman is stronger than wolverine, most realize that one has webs and another has claws.
So when comics do that, they are catering to the majority, ( the ones who don't know better), than us, the ones that do.
<<<"Convenient, exaggerated writing to illustrate a dire situation. Spiderman also said his reflexes are 45x quicker than that of a human's in **one** comic. Canon?">>>
okay now both you and I know that there is a huge difference in self analyzation of your own physical state...and the comparison of your physical abilities to someone elses when you don't have anything to go off of rather than assumption..how would spiderman know this? did he scientifically measue his reflex speed to a normal humans? that's no more credible than apocalypse saying that only gods can take him down....
<<<"Well now. Is Punisher Class 50? Archangel? Elektra? Silver Samurai? Ogun? Cyber? Sabertooth? Marrow? Lady Deathstrike?">>>
none of these characters (aside from your archangel example, which I admittedly never saw so I can't discuss) do it with concussive force...your point is moot here.....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Its a hero crossover, we must realize that people dont even know that spiderman is stronger than wolverine, most realize that one has webs and another has claws.So when comics do that, they are catering to the majority, ( the ones who don't know better), than us, the ones that do.
it was for all intents and purposes a SPIDERMAN BOOK.....doe
Originally posted by jinzin
it was for all intents and purposes a SPIDERMAN BOOK.....doe
Dude, I'm talking in general.
You yourself said spiderman SHOULD beat captain america easily, but he hasn't been shown otherwise.
Wolverine has to heal, it takes TIME.
I'm betting a nice hit on the ears would do him in, becuase of his enhanced senses, its a disadvantage.