Originally posted by Wanderer259
Where did this talk of Spider-Man having reflexes 45x faster than that of a normal human come from? I've only seen Spidey stated to have reflexes 15x faster, which is still better than Quicksilver's, but nowhere near 45x.
He was fighting hulk, in an annerversary comic.
He said, when he kicks it into high gear..
But since its written, it must be true by some's logic.
he said it in spiderman 36 I believe...an anniversary issue...in a portion of the book he begins to brag about his powers to mary jane...which is where a lot of spidey fans assume his power to actually be...because we all know peter's assumptions on his own powers and abilities take more precidence over actuall feats...🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
he said it in spiderman 36 I believe...an anniversary issue...in a portion of the book he begins to brag about his powers to mary jane...which is where a lot of spidey fans assume his power to actually be...because we all know peter's assumptions on his own powers and abilities take more precidence over actuall feats...🙄
But its written, much like when spiderman said he was hitting his hardest...
Oh I get it!! Its to your own convienince, stats matter when they benefit your arguments.
Use logic, period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Dude, I'm talking in general.You yourself said spiderman SHOULD beat captain america easily, but he hasn't been shown otherwise.
Wolverine has to heal, it takes TIME.
I'm betting a nice hit on the ears would do him in, becuase of his enhanced senses, its a disadvantage.
if he used webs he most likey would win.
Originally posted by jinzin
and why is that? cause spiderman attmepted to go h2h with cap............bad idea...that's an "I'm bison and all powerful but I'll fight you guys (ryu and ken) on your own level!" kind of bad idea....lol..if he used webs he most likey would win.
He could do whatever cap can, performing standup.
Yea that bison notion was stupid though.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
But its written, much like when spiderman said he was hitting his hardest...Oh I get it!! Its to your own convienince, stats matter when they benefit your arguments.
Use logic, period.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
So when comics do that, they are catering to the majority, ( the ones who don't know better), than us, the ones that do.
I agree wholeheartedly. Venom is much more popular than Juggernaut, for example, and he was "allowed" to have Juggernaut beat on him and survive. Lobo is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more powerful than Wolverine could ever hope of being, yet Wolverine was allowed to defeat him (via fan vote). Thor's hammer is able to neutralize anything Superman could toss at him yet he chooses to try to walk through Superman's heat vision in JLA vs Avengers? Imagine the backlash if Thor defeated Superman.
I mean, look at that picture that Jin attached. Spiderman leaned into his punch and Wolverine fell like...1 foot. But ANOTHER punch in ANOTHER issue sent Wolverine flying? Yet he hit Superman and sent him flying. And did anyone see how Spiderman totally trashed Titania (class 80 strength) in Secret Wars #8? How about...dare I mention it...*gasp* what he did to Firelord?
That's my point. He is consistently written as being much more powerful than he was in Spiderman vs. Wolverine, I think the name of the comic is.
At any rate, this is getting off topic. I reiterate that yes, imo, Spiderman is more than capable of kayoing Wolverine considering Wolverine has been kayoed by individuals of far inferior strength/fighting ability.
As a matter of fact, I'll dig out my Wolverine/Uncanny/X-Men/New X-Men issues and dig up some more examples.
Originally posted by jinzin
<<<"At any rate, this is getting off topic. I reiterate that yes, imo, Spiderman is more than capable of kayoing Wolverine considering Wolverine has been kayoed by individuals of far inferior strength/fighting ability. ">>>until proven otherwise I simply disagree...
Still going by crossovers?
smack him on the ears, it staggered hulk, and would ko wolverine with the heightened senses.
Originally posted by Never
I agree wholeheartedly. Venom is much more popular than Juggernaut, for example, and he was "allowed" to have Juggernaut beat on him and survive. Lobo is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more powerful than Wolverine could ever hope of being, yet Wolverine was allowed to defeat him (via fan vote). Thor's hammer is able to neutralize anything Superman could toss at him yet he chooses to try to walk through Superman's heat vision in JLA vs Avengers? Imagine the backlash if Thor defeated Superman.I mean, look at that picture that Jin attached. Spiderman leaned into his punch and Wolverine fell like...1 foot. But ANOTHER punch in ANOTHER issue sent Wolverine flying? Yet he hit Superman and sent him flying. And did anyone see how Spiderman totally trashed Titania (class 80 strength) in Secret Wars #8? How about...dare I mention it...*gasp* what he did to Firelord?
That's my point. He is consistently written as being much more powerful than he was in Spiderman vs. Wolverine, I think the name of the comic is.
At any rate, this is getting off topic. I reiterate that yes, imo, Spiderman is more than capable of kayoing Wolverine considering Wolverine has been kayoed by individuals of far inferior strength/fighting ability.
As a matter of fact, I'll dig out my Wolverine/Uncanny/X-Men/New X-Men issues and dig up some more examples.
Enjoy, and thanks for the good rebuttals. 😉
Originally posted by jinzin
yes leaping on wolverine's shoulders will automatically allow one not to be gutted....oy.....spiderman h2h vs. cap with shield..doesn't bode well for spiderman..of course spiderman will win..but he's not going to do so near as much without webbing...he needs it..
I'm saying take caps shield away, who is stronger, spiderman can yank that shield.
Spiderman can dodge wolverine very easily, if he hit him, it'd be a mere scrape. 😮💨
Originally posted by jinzin
none of these characters (aside from your archangel example, which I admittedly never saw so I can't discuss) do it with concussive force...your point is moot here.....
You said, and I do quote, "stand up to class 50 and above characters." You said nothing about concussive force.
Originally posted by jinzin
until proven otherwise I simply disagree...
Archangel when Cameron Hodge tied them together during the Genosha story arc. Jim Lee was the artist. Need the exact issue? Will find it.
Omega Red during the X-Men relaunch. Jim Lee again. Need the exact issue? Will find it.
Not kayoed with one punch. Successive punches. Hell, poison kayoed Wolverine in Uncanny #173.