Magic

Originally posted by Blanka
doesnt work for me

im not evil and im doing it correct

allegedly.

Originally posted by Blanka
im not evil and im doing it correct

What is it that you are doing? 😕

hes doing it...

...and correctly.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Then we have somewhat of an agreeance. Spiritual powers exist.

But if one believes in spiritual power then logically one also believes in magic. After all, the Bible is warning people of the occult because it is a real and tangible threat to them, because of course demons and dark magics exist, and a person will be caught up in that and corrupted. Or are you saying the Bible was scaremongering and trying to keep people away from a fiction?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
But if one believes in spiritual power then logically one also believes in magic. After all, the Bible is warning people of the occult because it is a real and tangible threat to them, because of course demons and dark magics exist, and a person will be caught up in that and corrupted. Or are you saying the Bible was scaremongering and trying to keep people away from a fiction?

Originally posted by Nellinator
I am saying that demons can perform "magic". The Bible warns against it because such things corrupt the soul and draw one away from God.

Then spiritual power does exist, and so does magic. It is simply, in the Christian faith, the spiritual power (that is from God etc) is more powerful (or more right) then the magical power.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Then spiritual power does exist, and so does magic. It is simply, in the Christian faith, the spiritual power (that is from God etc) is more powerful (or more right) then the magical power.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Yes.

Thank goodness we got that cleared up.

cleared up eh....

If god is more powerful, then why did he create the demons?

why doesnt destroy the demons?

it makes no sense.

Originally posted by Alliance
cleared up eh....

If god is more powerful, then why did he create the demons?

why doesnt destroy the demons?

it makes no sense.

im sure there is...but nopics never get re-addressed in the religion forum 😐

Originally posted by Alliance
im sure there is...but nopics never get re-addressed in the religion forum 😐

I wasnt aware that angels were given free will.

Many people say that they were created without free will, but I have never seen evidence of this. Of course, I am open to the idea that they were not, in which case I would have to rethink my theology on the subject.

do you have any passages that state that they have free will?

Don't need them. Satan betrayed God of his own accord, and this is evidence of free will. Therefore, evidence is needed to prove that he didn't have free will.

no. thats not evidence. There are tons of contradictions in the bible.

You don't knwo that god didnt create Satan and Lucifer, makes them do everyhting.

But God created Satan as one of the highest angels. He fell later as shown in the Bible meaning that God did not create Satan to be the devil, but that Satan exercised free will.