Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Johnny Quick did it.How would becoming aerodynamic stop him from being disoriented? The thunderclap is much more than just wind.
Plas's body isn't that inconsistent.
There's sails for sailing both with the wind and into the wind. Even if it's not just wind he could make his surface area so small that it would hardly effect him while rooting himself in the earth.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
There's sails for sailing both with the wind and into the wind. Even if it's not just wind he could make his surface area so small that it would hardly effect him while rooting himself in the earth.
The force and the sound would disorientate him. The wind isn't really a factor. I've seen Plas expand, but I've never seen him shrink beyond his normal size. Any particular instances you might have in mind?
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Well hop to it.
Hop to what? The burden of proof rests on your shoulders, Merc. 😉
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So far, what you've done on Plasticman's behalf is prove (and I use the term loosely,) that he can stretch further than Reed Richards. Does immediately make Hulk doing to him what he did to Reed totally impossible? I understand that Plasticman has a serious tactical advantage, but aren't you jumping to conclusions? Plasticman is incredibly resilient, but he's not unbreakable.
Me? I never said anything about Plastic Man's stretchability. I don't know anything about Plasticman
Nice scans, demi.I cannot honestly say that I have encountered scans depicting what you describe. If I could, it would indeed prove my point, but for the time being, yours are quite convincing. If I do indeed find such a scan, I'll be sure to post it here first.
Nice argument.
You're definitely one of the most knowledgeable people here, Cos. It's always a challenge to cross swords with you. I never look forward to it, lol. 🙂
We still at this?? The stretchibility is a moot point. It's really good, and that's enough...whether or not he can stretch farther than Reed shouldn't matter. He has more control over himself, and physical blows do nothing to him. I realize that eventually Hulk might try something new, but before he does, PM will be dangling him from a ledge where he doesn't have any leverage to do anything until he shifts back to Banner, or he'll make an air-tight bubble around Hulk that he won't be able to punch through (due to the stretchiness, which doesn't have to be anywhere near Reed's or even PM's best to maintain it) until Hulk can't breathe anymore. Thunderclaps might prolong the affair, but after 1 or 2 PM will become a tree or frog or something and sneak up on Hulk.
Brute strength can't win out in this fight. I never said space wouldn't doom PM (because it would) but Hulk would never get him there.
-DM
Well, (not that I'm biased here...hehe) but the scan CC posted Hulk is talking in space, which is obviously a scientific no-no anyway. In the earlier one where Hulk says he can't survive, only Glads talks and its when they're in the upper atmosphere, not space yet. So maybe there's different writers' versions of Hulk's powers in space, but even if we only give the "he can't survive without air" a 50% chance, that's 50% of the time PM can exploit that weakness..the other 50%, it would probably end up a stalemate, but I still give PM the upper hand.
-DM
Originally posted by DigiMark007
We still at this?? The stretchibility is a moot point. It's really good, and that's enough...whether or not he can stretch farther than Reed shouldn't matter. He has more control over himself, and physical blows do nothing to him. I realize that eventually Hulk might try something new, but before he does, PM will be dangling him from a ledge where he doesn't have any leverage to do anything until he shifts back to Banner, or he'll make an air-tight bubble around Hulk that he won't be able to punch through (due to the stretchiness, which doesn't have to be anywhere near Reed's or even PM's best to maintain it) until Hulk can't breathe anymore. Thunderclaps might prolong the affair, but after 1 or 2 PM will become a tree or frog or something and sneak up on Hulk.Brute strength can't win out in this fight. I never said space wouldn't doom PM (because it would) but Hulk would never get him there.
-DM
It's not about how well he can shapeshiift. It's about how he well could resist hurricane force winds expelling him from Hulk's lungs.
How would the bubble work? Does Plasticman has a special adhesive that would prevent Hulk from removing him from his mouth? How often does Plasticman resort to suffocating people. Exactly how long Hulk can hold his breath?
Plas could become a red and yellow tree, or frog. That's hard to spot. 😉
Thunderclaps are powerful. They could surely diorientate Plas, or even knock him out.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Well, (not that I'm biased here...hehe) but the scan CC posted Hulk is talking in space, which is obviously a scientific no-no anyway. In the earlier one where Hulk says he can't survive, only Glads talks and its when they're in the upper atmosphere, not space yet. So maybe there's different writers' versions of Hulk's powers in space, but even if we only give the "he can't survive without air" a 50% chance, that's 50% of the time PM can exploit that weakness..the other 50%, it would probably end up a stalemate, but I still give PM the upper hand.-DM
Comic books in general are a collection of scientific 'no-no's'.
Carrying sound waves in space, in a comic, is far from impossible.
Hulk can survive being reduced to atoms. How's he gonna die from suffocation? Inconsistency? Of course.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Never say never. If Hulk can grab and destroy an intangible energy field, what's a Plasticman, more or less?
He's a heckuva lot smarter and more versatile than an intangible energy field...that's what.
I've ditched the "he's goes inside Hulk's lungs" strategy. Too much chance Hulk's innards would be corrosive. The bubble is simply around Hulk...all of him. And PM is stretchy enough that if Hulk tries to punch/blow/jump/etc. he'll handle it (he's been at least a couple hundred meters long before so this is no harder than that.). And no, PM doesn't make a habit out of suffocating people to death, but he's one of the good guys. Given his powers, it's well within his ability, so the fact that it hasn't happened yet should be a moot point (he has reached inside someone though).
If Hulk can survive without air, I'll admit it's probably a stalemate (I still like my pully system though, or just tricking Hulk off a cliff then dangling him there indefinately)...but given his amazing versatility, and given the fact that an evil Manhunter (not as strong but much more versatile than Hulk) couldn't take PM out, I find it difficult to believe that Hulk has any chance of doing better than a draw.
-DM
