Plastic Man vs. Hulk

Started by jgiant15 pages

not familiar with plastic man, what makes him different from Mr.Fantastic?

Yeah, those would be great. If I had a scanner I'd contribute some. My favorite is in his fight with evil Manhunter (fenris?) where he's fighting him as a giant 3-story-tall plastic robot that looks like a lego version of a Transformers bot. Stuff like posing as a lamp to spy on Wonder Woman or fighting as a giant penny with Abe Lincoln's face on it while battling "The South Shall Rise Again" supporters also shows that he always keeps his sense of humor.

-DM

Originally posted by jgiant
not familiar with plastic man, what makes him different from Mr.Fantastic?

Reed can stretch. Plastic Man can reform his body at will into nearly anything he wants. See my post above for a few examples. So while Reed could stretch enough to maybe resemble something, Plastic Man could become a couch or fridge if he wanted to. He can also condense or expand himself, thus being able to slip through keyholes or become as large as a small building. He made entirely of Plastic, so telepaths don't bother him, and it's unclear but he probably doesn't have to eat/sleep/breathe/etc. And in regular stretchiness, he can also stretch a lot longer than Reed (based on feats that I've read and heard about).

Major victories for him include beating Polaris (think lightweight Magneto) and stalemating Martian Manhunter. Otherwise, he's the odd-job guy on the JLA.

-DM

Plas is funny as hell. That alone puts him above Reed, in my eyes. He's definitely the most funny Superhero. I just want to exactly how powerful he is.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Reed can stretch. Plastic Man can reform his body at will into nearly anything he wants. See my post above for a few examples. So while Reed could stretch enough to maybe resemble something, Plastic Man could become a couch or fridge if he wanted to. He can also condense or expand himself, thus being able to slip through keyholes or become as large as a small building. He made entirely of Plastic, so telepaths don't bother him, and it's unclear but he probably doesn't have to eat/sleep/breathe/etc. And in regular stretchiness, he can also stretch a lot longer than Reed (based on feats that I've read and heard about).

Major victories for him include beating Polaris (think lightweight Magneto) and stalemating Martian Manhunter. Otherwise, he's the odd-job guy on the JLA.

-DM

If I recall correctly, Plasticman isn't made of plastic. A chemical spill made his body elastic, but not plastic.

Plasticman can resemble a fridge. He can't actually operate as a refrigerator.

Reed can stretch himself thin enough to can pass through the slightest fracture in a pane of glass.

How far has Plasticman stretched?

Plasticman is more creative, no doubt, but I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that he is much more powerful than Reed.

My basis for saying he's more powerful is I once saw Reed try to impersonate an ugly-looking alien and it hurt him like hell and it took all his concentration to do so. PM would be able to do that in a second and hold the pose for decades if he needed to. In terms of raw stretching power (length and such), I can't back up the claim that PM's better, but at least in terms of manipulating one's own body PM is way ahead of Reed.

No, Plastic Man wouldn't operate like a refrigerator, and yes "plastic" is a loose term for saying "He can stretch real good." Marvel is great about quantifying stuff and once said Reed could stretch to a certain length (2 miles??) but DC is more lax about that stuff, and PM's powers are mainly displayed by "look what crazy stuff I can turn into" and not "look how far I can stretch" so while I would continue to assume PM could stretch further (since he has more control in manipulating himself he might also have more stretching power) but I can't prove it.

I've also seen Reed hit by Thor and knocked around...I've never seen anything physical do more than amuse Plastic Man. Energy alone (and feezing/super-heating/etc.) seems to be his weakness.

That's how I justify saying PM is more powerful....and also why I still think he has a better-than-average chance against teh Hulk.

-DM

Therefore, the common assumption that Plasticman is stretchier than Reed completely rules out Hulk doing to Plasticman what he did to Reed? Isn't that a bit hasty?

Plasticman seems to be susceptable to disorientating attacks (spinning, etc.) Punches surely wouldn't be effective.

I always wondered, why do the groovy goggles stretch when Plas stretches. Are they a part of him?

Still, PM would be one of many different things before Hulk ever got around to spinning him. And he's never seen Hulk, but he's on a team with Supes, MM, and WW, so he's no stranger to uber-powerful people.

Since demi so kindly found some pics that seem to suggest Hulk needs to breathe....that right there is an easily exploitable weakness. Jump down Hulk's throat, or if that's to corrosive to PM's body create a bubble around him. Punches would just ricochet back since h's stretchy enough and he could do some spinning of his own in the bubble and Hulk wouldn't have enough leverage or footing to jump into space (which, admittedly, would spell doom for PM). A thunderclap might prove useful but it would only keep PM away for a while...not take him out.

-DM

I'd rule it out.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I always wondered, why do the groovy goggles stretch when Plas stretches. Are they a part of him?

Not a clue. Helluva question. His whole look is hilarious though. I always thought of it as 1/3 Elvis, 1/3 Liberachi (sp?), and 1/3 Charlie Chaplin.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Still, PM would be one of many different things before Hulk ever got around to spinning him. And he's never seen Hulk, but he's on a team with Supes, MM, and WW, so he's no stranger to uber-powerful people.

Since demi so kindly found some pics that seem to suggest Hulk needs to breathe....that right there is an easily exploitable weakness. Jump down Hulk's throat, or if that's to corrosive to PM's body create a bubble around him. Punches would just ricochet back since h's stretchy enough and he could do some spinning of his own in the bubble and Hulk wouldn't have enough leverage or footing to jump into space (which, admittedly, would spell doom for PM). A thunderclap might prove useful but it would only keep PM away for a while...not take him out.

-DM

All of that is said, assuming that Hulk could not expel Plasticman from his lungs. As I said, the common assumption that Plasticman is stretchier than Reed does not completely rule out Hulk doing to the same to Plasticman.

Hulk's thunderclaps are quite potent. They are enough to uproot an entire forest. If they don't blow Plasticman away, they will certainly disorientate him.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
All of that is said, assuming that Hulk could not expel Plasticman from his lungs. As I said, the common assumption that Plasticman is stretchier than Reed does not completely rule out Hulk doing to the same to Plasticman.

Hulk's thunderclaps are quite potent. They are enough to uproot an entire forest. If they don't blow Plasticman away, they will certainly disorientate him.

That sure does sound like a very temporary solution though.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
That sure does sound like a very temporary solution though.

How many times can one be disorientated before one becomes unconscious?

this is like Hulk fighting the air

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
How many times can one be disorientated before one becomes unconscious?

I'm not even sure he can be knocked out.

And he can turn himself into an aerodymanimc shape to avoid it.

Originally posted by Wynndar
this is like Hulk fighting the air

Funny, I compared him to water.

if no one can prove plastic mans powers are greater than Reeds than im saying hulk just streaches him out and ties him in a knot. Hulk has never to my knowledge had any trouble with Reed so why plastic man?

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I'm not even sure he can be knocked out.

And he can turn himself into an aerodymanimc shape to avoid it.

Funny, I compared him to water.

Johnny Quick did it.

How would becoming aerodynamic stop him from being disoriented? The thunderclap is much more than just wind.

Plas's body isn't that inconsistent.

Originally posted by jgiant
if no one can prove plastic mans powers are greater than Reeds than im saying hulk just streaches him out and ties him in a knot. Hulk has never to my knowledge had any trouble with Reed so why plastic man?

Reed's comparable to Elongated man. PM has literally tied himself around Elongated man in knots. As far as stretching and shaping goes there's just no comparison.

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Reed's comparable to Elongated man. PM has literally tied himself around Elongated man in knots. As far as stretching and shaping goes there's just no comparison.

Shaping, not necessarily stretching. That has yet to be proven.