the magus vs superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not how we debate on here and he doesn't always win, anyways.

He would just have another power created like tivo, Superman is a walking plot device. tivo may be retconned... But, his ability to create powers out of thin air isn't.

His anti-Magus vision will do nicely. I realise that's not how you debate, you do things like suggest villians will win... Newsflash, that may not be how you debate here as you're fanboys, but, it's what happens in comics and especially Superman comics.

Originally posted by Validity
He would just have another power created like tivo, Superman is a walking plot device. tivo may be retconned... But, his ability to create powers out of thin air isn't.

His anti-Magus vision will do nicely. I realise that's not how you debate, you do things like suggest villians will win... Newsflash, that may not be how you debate here as you're fanboys, but, it's what happens in comics and especially Superman comics.

Superman gets aid in comics against villains also doesn't always defeat the villain on his own. He also shows up in events and doesn't even defeat the main villain. I mean this is just you trying to act like the hero always wins which doesn't even always happen in the comics themselves.

If Superman was given every power he has 'ever' had, in every incarnation, he would defeat anyone. Most of the time powers get retconned from him and yes heroes get help and so do villians.

Originally posted by Validity
If Superman was given every power he has 'ever' had, in every incarnation, he would defeat anyone. Most of the time powers get retconned from him and yes heroes get help and so do villians.

Villains are usually more impressive since the odds have to be stacked against the heroes anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wouldn't and most characters have had far more impressive powers anyways.

Villains are usually more impressive since the odds have to be stacked against the heroes anyways.

Really? than his alternative version giant cosmic universal armour.... Well O.K. then.

Originally posted by Validity
Really? than his alternative version giant cosmic universal armour.... Well O.K. then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not his ability that was a plot device he used it's like saying if Thanos had the ig/heart/cc I mean you have no valid points at this point and are just throwing anything out there and hoping it will stick.

Thanks for agreeing, Superman is 'a walking plot device', it's his greatest power.

Originally posted by Validity
Thanks for agreeing, Superman [b]is 'a walking plot device', it's his greatest power. [/B]

Originally posted by quanchi112
So is the Surfer or Thor's hammer. You really have stated nothing even remotely close to an actual point.

Agreed.

For someone named "Validity", he really hasn't presented any valid points.

he's a sock.

you guys cant see it? 😬

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Agreed.

For someone named "Validity", he really hasn't presented any valid points.

Anyone ever hear the drummer from Rush play a drum solo? Well if not, you have to hear it. Now for those of you who have heard him play, just imagine him playing 10 times faster, and then you will get the picture of how fast Superman would be hitting the Magus. Let's not forget about how he can create tornadoes while beating the hell out of slower opponents as well, while slowing them down with freeze breath. Kal El would dominate.

Originally posted by King Castle
he's a sock.

you guys cant see it? 😬

Originally posted by King Castle
he's a sock.

you guys cant see it? 😬

Agreed. Just trying to figure out who's sock he is...

Originally posted by quanchi112
So is the Surfer or Thor's hammer. You really have stated nothing even remotely close to an actual point.

Exactly, the plot drives what the characters are capable of in comics and not the powerst 'fanboy', since when havepowersts ever mattered to Superman, Thor or the Surfer. The plot would allow Superman to eventually defeat Magus as Surfer defeated Tenebrioud and Aegis. The point is a simple one. Superman wins, he has more comic appearances than anyone and in the end, whilst the battle is 'never ending', Superman wins. Only a fool believes a comic book would show Magus winning in the end against Superman. The flaw in forums like this, is they argue powersets against te laws of the Universe a character comes from. Superman is the greatest hero in the DC universe, the first law of that Universe is... Superman saves the day. Any other argument against this is childish.

Originally posted by Validity
Exactly, the plot drives what the characters are capable of in comics and not the powerst 'fanboy', since when havepowersts ever mattered to Superman, Thor or the Surfer. The plot would allow Superman to eventually defeat Magus as Surfer defeated Tenebrioud and Aegis. The point is a simple one. Superman wins, he has more comic appearances than anyone and in the end, whilst the battle is 'never ending', Superman wins. Only a fool believes a comic book would show Magus winning in the end against Superman. The flaw in forums like this, is they argue powersets against te laws of the Universe a character comes from. Superman is the greatest hero in the DC universe, the first law of that Universe is... Superman saves the day. Any other argument against this is childish.

Superman doesn't always save the day even in his own universe. Di dyou miss blackest night, sinestro corps, death of the new gods, ? LOL.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't a comic book where the hero has to defeat the villain this is a vs. forum where we decide based on their powers, what's in character, and based on evidence.

Superman doesn't always save the day even in his own universe. Di dyou miss blackest night, sinestro corps, death of the new gods, ? LOL.

He saves the day whenever the story is dirsctly about him. Like this thread title and most of the time when it isn't. No hero has ever saved the day as much as Superman; therefore, based on past stories. Superman wins in the end.

Originally posted by Validity
He saves the day whenever the story is dirsctly about him. Like this thread title and most of the time when it isn't. No hero has ever saved the day as much as Superman; therefore, based on past stories. Superman wins in the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's horrible logic here. All heroes usually save the day but in the end like any great hero they receive aid they don't have here. You need to tell me how not just the hero wins.

It's not horrible logic, it's simply what happens when your the most famous Superhero in the world and your symbol is part of both Americana and popular culture and your name s on the comic and you have more appearances than anyone else.
Superman has never cared about being completely overmatched. Magus is basically a comic nobody, hell Adam Warlock has never been able to carry a series for long and Him was simply an attempted rapist and stalker of Sif.

Originally posted by Validity
It's not horrible logic, it's simply what happens when your the most famous Superhero in the world and your symbol is part of both Americana and popular culture and your name s on the comic and you have more appearances than anyone else.
Superman has never cared about being completely overmatched. Magus is basically a comic nobody, hell Adam Warlock has never been able to carry a series for long and Him was simply an attempted rapist and stalker of Sif.

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"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.