Originally posted by LGodamus
Ok then lets stack em up side by side.....
shal we?
Originally posted by LGodamus
Doc has 4 fast(but not nearly as fast as you tried to make everyone think) tentacles made of titanium.
I didn't say that read my arguments, chances are I'm about to bust ALL of your points, wolverine seems to be godly around here.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Wolverine has proven to be just as fast , even if he chooses to fight sloppily sometimes, and has claws that have no problem slicing thru titanium without him putting much force behind them..(hint leverage isnt much needed on a metal that much weaker than adamantium)
Wolverine isn't faster, wolverine has no precognition, he can slice, but to completely disable the claws, he'd have to get in real close, 4 faster, stronger, longer reach and thinking instruments, are going to be sliced up, thats ridiculous.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Doc has an extreme reach advantage...wolverine just has to suck up this hit..not much to counter it with other than the fact that he has fought countless foes who have had a reach advantage and experience is a good teacher.
Ock has faced a guy with claws, this is a hypothetical argument, Ock would GRAB, not hit, then he would kill.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Doc has a pretty fair mobility advantage, but wolvie climbs well and is a world class athlete so the advantage is not as big as it might appear.
Please, Ock doesn't need to be a damned athlete. Ock can climb faster than wolverine would hope to.
He can throw cars, boxes, he can attack from the front, behing, over the arms, under.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Doc Oc has high strength in each tentacle...wolverine is no where near as strong as a single tentacle but he has , again lots of experience dealing with super strength enemies...super strength that WAY outclasses anything oc brings to the fight
I don't want to hear "wolverine beat xxxx", spiderman has beaten tougher enemies, and has problems with them.
Guess what? Spiderman is faster, stronger, has precog, and better agility, along with adhesivness, and wall crawling.
Ock can sit bac, counter, distract, throw.
Wolverine slices the end off of one, its not disabled, it can still wrap and everything.
Once wolverine slices, hes open for a grab and finish, he has ALL the advantages here, BUT healing.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Doc has some fighting experience....Wolverine has the highest hand to hand rating on marvel earth ..shared with cap america...(who would also trounce doc oc)wolverine 8 outta 10
A coolness argument, what all wolverine arguments turn out to be.
Pray tell me what Cap would do, if spiderman kicks his ass?
Ock 8/10, him losing easily is implying that wolverine is going to slice him while he does jack shit, which is another popular wolverine argument.
Ock took out grey hulk, did you know that?
A coolness argument, this is a hypothetical one.
Originally posted by jinzin
not at all..but wolverine can clice the damned things off..he doesn't need to dodge them any more....people are saying ocks then going to polverize him with the stumps...pffft.
He can wrap him with them.
You must think this is a damned game, where ock fights in a damned pattern or something.
Originally posted by WhiteRacistGirl
A guy, defending Wolverine, should know that durability, makes a difference in situations, such as this one.
no it doesn't not in this fight..the symbiote is durable...but not durable enough to keep from being sliced apart by wolverine's claws, if the WHOLE DIFFERENCE that you're relying on for this argument is the hope that dock ocks tenticals will hold up any better than venom's symbiote against wolverine's claws...you are terribly mistaken...
"90 ft. per second! Boo-hoo, that's too fast for Wolverine!" -Pro Ock debator
that's only a tiny bit over 60 miles per hour, which isn't even that much faster than a punch, and considering it has to travel a greater distance, there's no reason why a top tier fighter wouldn't be able to react.
"Boo-hoo, Spidey barely dodges them and he's 40X faster than Wolvie and has precog."-Pro Ock debator
No, Spidey's only a tiny bit faster than peak humans ("can't let up, can't give him a second. He'll kill me"-spidey when fighting Wolvie.) And a fighter of wolverines calibre makes the best out of his movements. A subtle move takes less time than one of Spidey's acrobatic feats. Like Achilles dodging spears in that "Troy" movie.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He can wrap him with them.You must think this is a damned game, where ock fights in a damned pattern or something.
No, but now that you bring it up, Non-fighters fall into patterns all the time. What a great point you made for wolvie!!
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
"90 ft. per second! Boo-hoo, that's too fast for Wolverine!" -Pro Ock debatorthat's only a tiny bit over 60 miles per hour, which isn't even that much faster than a punch, and considering it has to travel a greater distance, there's no reason why a top tier fighter wouldn't be able to react.
"Boo-hoo, Spidey barely dodges them and he's 40X faster than Wolvie and has precog."-Pro Ock debator
No, Spidey's only a tiny bit faster than peak humans ("can't let up, can't give him a second. He'll kill me"-spidey when fighting Wolvie.) And a fighter of wolverines calibre makes the best out of his movements. A subtle move takes less time than one of Spidey's acrobatic feats. Like Achilles dodging spears in that "Troy" movie.
No, but now that you bring it up, Non-fighters fall into patterns all the time. What a great point you made for wolvie!!
"Boo-hoo Wolverine has beaten guys with tentacles before he can beat Ock." - Pro Wolverine debator.
Just because x beats xx, it doesn't mean that x can beat xxx.
"Boo-hoo, you think that because he can hit, grab and throw Spider-Man away with ease, he can do the same to Wolverine. Well, lol thats not right." -Pro Wolverine debator.
Why? Is Wolverine faster then Spider-Man? Does he have his own "Wolverine sense?" are his reflexes 15 times better then normal human? Because if you think so, you really shouldn't be here. If he can easily grab someone who is both faster and stronger then Wolverine, then tell me, how can't he grab Wolverine?
"Boo-hoo, Wolverine is samurai ninja X-man super warrior, Ock is just some dumb guy who got tentacles and has no experience with them." - Pro Wolverine debator.
No experience? Well, smart guy, I suppose you don't know that Doctor Octopus INVENTED his tentacles himself. There is NOBODY who can use them better. After 42 years in comics, don't you suppose that he has at least SOME experience in using them? But of course, it isn't enough to be able to compete with mighty Wolverine who is both slower, weaker and dumber then the tentacles...for some reason.🙄
Ock 8/10.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Boo-hoo Wolverine has beaten guys with tentacles before he can beat Ock." - Pro Wolverine debator.Just because x beats xx, it doesn't mean that x can beat xxx.
Yeah, too bad for you Ock is on that list too.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Boo-hoo, you think that because he can hit, grab and throw Spider-Man away with ease, he can do the same to Wolverine. Well, lol thats not right." -Pro Wolverine debator.Why? Is Wolverine faster then Spider-Man? Does he have his own "Wolverine sense?" are his reflexes 15 times better then normal human? Because if you think so, you really shouldn't be here. If he can easily grab someone who is both faster and stronger then Wolverine, then tell me, how can't he grab Wolverine?
Is Wolverine faster? I just told you he isn't, maybe if you paid more attention. Who needs spidersenses when you got Weapon X training? And It's not that he can't grab Wolverine, It's just not as likely as you'd like and even then the distinct possibility of said tentacle being destroyed is great.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Boo-hoo, Wolverine is samurai ninja X-man super warrior, Ock is just some dumb guy who got tentacles and has no experience with them." - Pro Wolverine debator.No experience? Well, smart guy, I suppose you don't know that Doctor Octopus INVENTED his tentacles himself. There is NOBODY who can use them better. After 42 years in comics, don't you suppose that he has at least SOME experience in using them? But of course, it isn't enough to be able to compete with mighty Wolverine who is both slower, weaker and dumber then the tentacles...for some reason.🙄
Ock 8/10.
I don't think I've seen this arguement anywhere so you're just making up stuff now. Either way, 42 years in comics does not equal 42 years of experience, or the doctor'd be closing in on eighty if I'm not mistaken. Slower, yes but not where it counts. Weaker sure but adamantium beats titanium. Dumber, than Ock yeah but than tentacles? And still not dumber where it counts, as in battle field experience and strategy.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Yeah, too bad for you Ock is on that list too.
Old Ock still had chance beating him.
Current Doc Ock would smoke Wolverine.
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Is Wolverine faster? I just told you he isn't, maybe if you paid more attention. Who needs spidersenses when you got Weapon X training? And It's not that he can't grab Wolverine, It's just not as likely as you'd like and even then the distinct possibility of said tentacle being destroyed is great.
It's more likely them Wolverine avoiding them...
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I don't think I've seen this arguement anywhere so you're just making up stuff now. Either way, 42 years in comics does not equal 42 years of experience, or the doctor'd be closing in on eighty if I'm not mistaken. Slower, yes but not where it counts. Weaker sure but adamantium beats titanium. Dumber, than Ock yeah but than tentacles? And still not dumber where it counts, as in battle field experience and strategy.
It still equals 42 years of countless fighting with Spider-Man. He has defeated Spider-Man numerous times. Now, he has quite of experience grabbing a guy that is faster then Wolverine. And Weapon X training doesn't equal precognition. If he can easily grab a guy that is both faster and stronger and more agile then Wolverine, even when he had his non-upgraded tentacles, what makes you think that Wolverine can avoid the upgraded ones?
Originally posted by Logan 87If Dr Ock can keep up and fight with Spiderman,he obviously must be a lot faster and stronger than Wolverine,so he'd make the first move by grabbing him and slamming him around till he's unconscious. And he cant just cut through the tentacles without leverage,which he'll lose as soon as he's grabbed
How is Doc ock winning. I told you how he Cuts his things off, as they come.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
shal we?A coolness argument, what all wolverine arguments turn out to be.
A coolness argument, this is a hypothetical one.
C ,experience is definatly not a Coolness argument ...in real life fights experience is a bigger deciding factor than strength speed and stamina.....if you know what you are doing you can easily beat someone stronger and faster.....sorry but the coolness crap dont cut it.
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Some examples of the POWER of Doc Ock:
guess it's a good thing this isn't a professor hulk vs. ock with adamantium arms fight eh?
as far as your other pic...it's impressive to some extent....but I could go on and on and on with cool things logans done to people...but it really has nothing to do with the fight at hand.....I stick to my examples...wolverine's already had 4 or 5 encounters with tentical users who are both faster and stronger than himself...but it doesn't stop him from cutting the damned things off.....now you guys are saying that he can do this and that to spiderman....but really lets look at a few facts here....spiderman can't defeat the arms given his own powers (he needs a plot device of some sort to do it) thus his strategy is to hit the man behind the arms, so he has to close ground, this means spidey's gotta be using his spidersense and acrobatic agility to it's full to evade dock ocks arms, and he's done it....dock has kicked his ass too but he's done it. NOW, consider this, wolverine's arm slicing something doesn't take as long as an extremely overdramatic acrobatic feat, aside from that wolverine can close ground from the outside and move in because he DOES have a way to combat the arms effectively and reduce their reach as he has done so to equally effective weapons as well as more dangerous ones of comparible nature....I do think that dock ock would beat the holy hell out of wolvie with adamantium but since he doesn't have adamantium tenticals I don't have to worry about that...wolverine can also stand to be hit by the things while spiderman cannot. Wolverine can recover from the damage done to him while spiderman cannot.... despite spiderman's powers, his strategy vs. dock ock is nearly a completely defensive one until he can get close enough to octavious to hit him. Wolverine can afford to make an offensive strike and any attack made by dock ock will run him the risk of losing a titanium limb.
Originally posted by LGodamus
C ,experience is definatly not a Coolness argument ...in real life fights experience is a bigger deciding factor than strength speed and stamina.....if you know what you are doing you can easily beat someone stronger and faster.....sorry but the coolness crap dont cut it.
Wolverine is the best at what he does blah blah blah, is a coolness argument, because there has been little else to support it.
If we were to do a book on what Ock has done you'd understand what I'm saying.
Experience is good if they are within your physical grasp, but Not if they're WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY above your own, for example wolverine wouldn't beat someone like the hulk, despite experience.
Its one thing to have it, and then apply it.