I doubt that it's been done, lol. But I think Yoda's team takes this.
Yoda vs. Sidious- Long fight
Mace vs. Dooku- Long fight
Obi-Wan vs. Maul- Obi-Wan
Plo Koon vs. Assaj Ventress- Long fight?
Anakin vs. Grievous- Anakin
So this would leave Anakin and Obi-Wan to assist whoever they wished, which would probably be Mace and Plo Koon, leaving Sidious to fend off five Jedi. Plo Koon might die in the process, but they'll win.
This is tough, Mace vs Dooku always is. Dooku beat Mace, Mace beat Sidious (I don't care what that damn book says). So logic would say Dooku>Sidious, yet Sidious is the master. However one would look at that and see that Sidious is the master, so he'd be better than Dooku, also leading one to believe that Dooku would be pwned easily by Mace. Ahh the tangled webs the EU weaves. That's all I have to say, I don't feel like typing more, good fight though.
Dooku beat Sidious? You mean Mace perhaps? And yes it was fifteen years before the fall of the Republic, but still even with Yoda saying that, theres still a flaw. Saying Mace is the only one who could face Dooku on solid ground would be saying Yoda can't either, yet I'm sure most of us can agree that Yoda would have beat Sidious in other circumstances. That's why I'm beginning to beleive Mace is better than Yoda. But let's turn our attention back to the fight now, save this discussion for another thread.
Originally posted by DarthGenises
Dooku barley beat Mace when he was on the light side what makes you think he can do it now that hes a sith
Dooku was also younger and he didn't use Form II. After Dooku completly mastered Form II and gained several gallons of Experience, i guarentee he could crush Mace. And he didn't do all that bad in the fight with Mace. And if Sidious can defeat Mace, i guarentee Dooku can.
Yes, Human Vader, I meant Dooku beat Mace. And I thought that what I said was apparent. I guess I worded it wrong.
In the book, Yoda fights Dooku on the mountainous slopes on Vjun. There Yoda says that on even ground, the only OTHER Jedi who could stand against Dooku is Mace. Hope that clears it up.
I personally think that Dooku and Mace's saber skills are a little bit better swordsman on their own than Yoda. Yoda is so good because of his mastery of the Force. This essentially puts him on par with the two, if not better. However, imagine Yoda without the Force fueling his every move in a saber fight. Doubtless, he is right there with Dooku and Mace, but I think either could hold him off in a stalemate for a bit.
And Sorgo, Dooku did use Form II. He used it all his life. And if he was younger and gained more experience, Mace definetely did, too. He invented Vaapad as a teenager, before Dooku mastered, or even came close to mastering Makashi.
Yoda is an alien species we don't know if he walks the way he does just to save energy. That whole "Yoda needs the force to fight" is contradictad in the movie atoc when he fights count yhe pushes counts saber away with his own pyshical strength. I say again because he is an alien we cannot ever really know his limits only GL. Where's the political forum?
Originally posted by LordSorgo
Dooku was also younger and he didn't use Form II. After Dooku completly mastered Form II and gained several gallons of Experience, i guarentee he could crush Mace. And he didn't do all that bad in the fight with Mace. And if Sidious can defeat Mace, i guarentee Dooku can.
Dooku left the Jedi Order about 13 years prior to ROTS. Their last fight was a while ago. It is mentioned that Dooku beat him, but it is unsure how much. It is also unsure how much Mace has progressed in that time, and we are left to assume he has. Mace is formidable, as shown in Shatterpoint, and by Yoda's own assessment, Mace and Dooku would be a great fight.
To say something like Dooku would for sure beat Mace when all we know is that Dooku has defeated him once is pretty ignorant.
Count Dooku would have also gotten better during the years. Consider it like a chess-player who starts out exceptionally when he is young. And then as he gets older and plays more - he becomes more talented and experience. Of course swordplay requires more physical movement and Count Dooku is an old man...
But as I was saying. We do know that Count Dooku has defeated Mace in the past. We do know that Mace has not defeated Count Dooku. It is evident that as he grew older, Mace became stronger in both the Force and swordplay than he was when he was younger.
Count Dooku is of course - physically weaker than Mace. But his experience in swordplay and fencing is beyond Mace. Mace is in his prime in terms of peek physical condition. But Dooku is still powerful enough in swordplay experience and Force.
I would have to say if both fought one another in their prime - Dooku would win. Perhaps in Revenge of The Sith, Mace would've won. But contrary to those who believe otherwise, Dooku would not be an easy fight for him.
Now. As so many people pointed out, Mace could've beaten Dooku because Count Dooku is Darth Sidious's apprentice - and Mace defeated Sidious in combat.
However. Dooku left The Jedi Order shortly after The Phantom Menace. Meaning he was already a Jedi Knight. It said he would've been on the Council had he not been so rebellious. So it is clear that Dooku needed no more education in combat.
So it may very well have been that Dooku could've possibly been a superior duelist to Sidious - or on an equal level. But Sidious's knowledge of the Force exceeds just about everyone - except for Yoda. That coupled with a lack of true ambition to become the Sith Master, could have been the reason Dooku remained an apprentice.
Now.
It could also be stated that Sidious did indeed throw the fight against Mace Windu. Comparing how he battled against Yoda to how he battled against Mace shows a greater level of power and combat ability when he fought Yoda.
Perhaps he underestimated Mace. Because he fought against Yoda harder and smarter. Or he could've very well thrown the fight for Anakin's intervention.
Do remember. If Anakin slayed Windu, he would've had no choice but to join Sidious. Not to mention he believed Sidious had the power to save Padme.
Originally posted by DarthGenises
You have that backwards
If you are saying that Mace has more experience than Dooku, you're hilarious. Dooku has YEARS of experience on Mace. Dooku was a Jedi when Mace was in his early twenties. And yes, sure it would be a good fight, but Mace just doesn't have the experience to pull it off.
Mace's style consists of powerful attacks to kill your opponent quickly. Not very much focus is concentrated in this style, but more of your emotion put into it, meanwhile with Dooku's form, which consists of sleek blocks and fast movements and very focused attacks and defense, i think Dooku would rip Mace to shreds.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Now. As so many people pointed out, Mace could've beaten Dooku because Count Dooku is Darth Sidious's apprentice - and Mace defeated Sidious in combat.However. Dooku left The Jedi Order shortly after The Phantom Menace. Meaning he was already a Jedi Knight. It said he would've been on the Council had he not been so rebellious. So it is clear that Dooku needed no more education in combat.
So it may very well have been that Dooku could've possibly been a superior duelist to Sidious - or on an equal level. But Sidious's knowledge of the Force exceeds just about everyone - except for Yoda. That coupled with a lack of true ambition to become the Sith Master, could have been the reason Dooku remained an apprentice.
Now.
It could also be stated that Sidious did indeed throw the fight against Mace Windu. Comparing how he battled against Yoda to how he battled against Mace shows a greater level of power and combat ability when he fought Yoda.
Perhaps he underestimated Mace. Because he fought against Yoda harder and smarter. Or he could've very well thrown the fight for Anakin's intervention.
Do remember. If Anakin slayed Windu, he would've had no choice but to join Sidious. Not to mention he believed
Sidious had the power to save Padme.
Mace defeated Sidious? Well, i wont get into that, i don't want another arguement. Dooku is probably beyond Sidious in swordplay and Dooku has that dangerous super kick! 😛 the kick that sends anakin flying on Grievous' ship.