Team Sidious vs. Team Yoda

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
i'd say mace beats dooku because yes dooku has gained experinc and everything since he was good BUT vaapad would give mace the upper hand being as mace also gained lots of experence from when they last fought and with vaapad giving him the upper hand.

I wonder what Vapaad is... OH! It's that thing that the fans make up and the thing that Nick Gillard stated did not exist in the SFLC.

And Dooku has mastered Makashi. ALSO what makes you think Dooku didn't gain experience when they fought? He won, didn't he?

MAKASHIMAN, Yoda sure used the Force in that fight a LOT. When he pushed the Count away, it was not on his own strength. Read the novelization, or just watch it again. And do you think Yoda could fight off Dooku, or do his flips and spins if didn't have the Force? Now of course, evry Jedi uses the Force, but they don't all need to use it to fully power their every move.

Vaapad is in two EU books, Shatterpoint and Labyrinth of Evil. Those are officially canon, whether you like it or not. And of course Dooku's mastered Makashi, he's been practicing it for the past 70, 80 years.

Could we get back on topic here?

This is an exeptionally hard fight, because these two are both my favorite jedi/sith. Dooku has powerful and swift attacks, and help him keep his distance, so that he doesnt get slashed in the face. Mace windu is a swordsmaster that fights an opponent up close, with much more powerful and physical movment. Therefore, if mace had dooku cornered continuously mace would evidently win the battle because he would could find hit him where he is weak. But if Dooku fights wise, and keeps himself from getting to close to mace windu, then after a long tired, crazy, bloody, nasty fight dooku would slay mace.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Mace defeated Sidious? Well, i wont get into that, i don't want another arguement. Dooku is probably beyond Sidious in swordplay and Dooku has that dangerous super kick! 😛 the kick that sends anakin flying on Grievous' ship.

I say that to placate the masses, Lord Sorgo. In my opinion, Sidious was holding out against Mace, but it is not a popular opinion amongst many Star Wars fans. I am understanding that Sidious is very much hated around here. But though proof could indicate very well that Sidious was toying with him.

But I suppose we'll never know.

I think Yoda's team takes this slightly.
Sidious vs Yoda= stand still
Mace vs Dooku= Stand still
Obi vs Maul= Obi
Plo vs Assaj= Plo
Anaknin vs Grievous= Anakin
Then Sids and Dooku is owned.
Anyway everyone says that it was 13 years ago when Dooku beated Mace and that he would have become much better since and might be able to beat Dooku. I have a question for you. How old is Mace in ROTS, about 60 right. Well if he was around 50 in episode 1 he was still barley in his prime and Dooku was, well old. Dooku beated him and then he disappeared. Everyone now thinks that Mace would have become much better since that fight and would kill Dooku at this time. Well why does everyone say that Obi-Wan is the best he could get in ROTS when he is about 30 and wont become any better? Can someone please tell me Mace's age. He can't be young cause he was the second oldest member of the jedi counsil after Dooku.

I am, saying that Yoda is an alien we don't know his limits only GL and he will never tell.

Mace is 53 in ROTS, and 40 in TPM. And what are you talking about with his age on the Council? he's one of the younger members there. Obi-Wan is 38 in ROTS, and Dooku is 83. The man has 30 years on Mace. And Dooku didn't beat him and disappear, he beat him years before TPM, when they were both much younger, Mace in his twenties or thirties and Dooku in his fifties or sixties or so.
But what does this have to with the thread.

BTW, Plo Koon would probably lose to Ventress. He has a chance, but I don't know. She beat Kit Fisto, and almost took Obi-Wan and Anakin. (Separately, of course)

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Vaapad is in two EU books, Shatterpoint and Labyrinth of Evil. Those are officially canon, whether you like it or not. And of course Dooku's mastered Makashi, he's been practicing it for the past 70, 80 years.

Books are not Canon! George Lucas says this himself on ET! Books are made by other authors and have no association to Lucas or the movies. Hell, even the ROTS book had shit on it that didn't happen in the movie! Don't try to tell me books are canon because you are sorely wrong.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Mace is 53 in ROTS, and 40 in TPM. And what are you talking about with his age on the Council? he's one of the younger members there. Obi-Wan is 38 in ROTS, and Dooku is 83. The man has 30 years on Mace. And Dooku didn't beat him and disappear, he beat him years before TPM, when they were both much younger, Mace in his twenties or thirties and Dooku in his fifties or sixties or so.
But what does this have to with the thread.

BTW, Plo Koon would probably lose to Ventress. He has a chance, but I don't know. She beat Kit Fisto, and almost took Obi-Wan and Anakin. (Separately, of course)

Yeah but no one has seen what Plo can do.

Sorgo. . . I don't need to make an enemy out of you, but the books are certainly official. Note that this is the EU section, too.

Originally posted by Human Vader
Dooku beat Sidious? You mean Mace perhaps? And yes it was fifteen years before the fall of the Republic, but still even with Yoda saying that, theres still a flaw. Saying Mace is the only one who could face Dooku on solid ground would be saying Yoda can't either, yet I'm sure most of us can agree that Yoda would have beat Sidious in other circumstances. That's why I'm beginning to beleive Mace is better than Yoda. But let's turn our attention back to the fight now, save this discussion for another thread.

Yoda lost to Sidious because he is over 800 years old. He needs a cane to walk and he uses form IV because it defies old age.
Anakin would be defeated by Grievous because only the greatest Jedi Masters can predict his next move and Anakin has no exp to defeat Grievous. Obi-Wan would defeat Maul since he beat him in TPM as a Padawan and now he's a Jedi Master.
Dooku would beat Mace like he did before expect this time he is even greater and stronger then he was. Anakin proved a lot stronger then Plo and he had trouble defeating Assaj so Plo will get killed.
Now the last fight depends. If Sidious is in an area where he can use the field to his edge then Sidious would win other then that it would be Yoda.
Yoda vs. Sidious= Depends
Mace vs. Dooku= Dooku
Obi-Wan vs. Maul= Obi-Wan
Anakin vs. Grievous= Grievous
Plo vs. Assaj= Plo
Obi-Wan and/or Yoda vs. Dooku, Grievous, Assaj, and/or Sidious= The Sith

Yoda lost because of old age? Somewhat true. But no. Sidious was smarter, and used the field to his advantage. And no way in HELL does Ataru defy age. It utilizies the most flips, spins, and physically impossible acrobatics of all the forms. I don't know what your talking about.

Anakin would defeat Grievous. Obi-Wan took time because he was conservative; a Soresu Master. Anakin is a Master of Djem So, an aggressive form, so he would press the attack against Grievous and eventually win. Not easily, but he will. Doesn't have experience? He fought and killed Assaj Ventress, dueled Dooku twice and killed him the second time, became a Jedi Knight without going through the trials, etc. He had a LOT of experience. And, oh, Anakin killed those great Jedi Masters. With so much foresight.

Mace would have improved greatly as well as Dooku, after practicing and perfecting his fighting style and learning about the Force. Dooku learned more force-wise, but even if he did take Mace, it would be an impossibly hard battle. In Dark Rendezvous, Yoda stated that out of all the other Jedi, Mace was Dooku's only equal, meaning the battle could go either way.

Grievous defeated 4 Jedi Masters and a Jedi Padawan at once. Dooku held back the second time. And yes Yoda's age had everything to do with the fall. If he was in his prime he wouldn't have had to retreat. And again Yoda's form did help him fight because it uses the force. Yoda can barely walk as shown in ATOC (little shuttle thing) and ROTS (Chewbacca carried him) and form IV allows him to fight greater then he would with any other form. Anakin's form focuses on attack which will be his downfall because Grievous would be able to keep 2 lightsabers attacking and 2 lightsabers defending. Obi-Wan won because he was on the defense and waited till an opening. And Assaj was not a sith only a Dark Jedi as Dooku stated.

Originally posted by DarthGenises
Team Sids:
ROTS Darth Sidious
AOTC Count Dooku
Darth Maul
Asajj Ventress
General Grevious (Clone Wars)

Team Yoda:
Yoda
Mace Windu
ROTS Obi-Wan
ROTS Anikan
Plo Koon

Srry if its been done I checked and didn't see it.

Sidious vs Yoda = long fight (Yoda would win)
Dooku vs Mace = long fight (Mace would win)
Obi-Wan vs Maul = Obi-Wan
ROTS Anakin vs Asajj Ventress = Anakin (he already defeated her between AotC and ROTS)
Plo Koon vs Grievious = don't know (I think Plo Koon) but it will last longer than Anakins or Obi-Wans fights.

So you end with Dooku and Mace / Yoda and Sidious still fighting. Obi-Wan and Anakin finished their fights and will aid Plo Koon and Mace so that Dooku and GG will get down fast.

Then you have Sidious vs Mace, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Plo Koon with Sidious going down.

Zodiac, you underestimate Anakin. Sure, Ventress was no Sith, but she almost killed Kenobi two, three times. And General Grievous did fight off four Jedi; then he got killed by one. Obi-Wan did kill GG, but he was hard-pressed against Anakin. And as you saw, Skywalker's ruthless. He'd use the Force in every way he could to bring down GG, and his darkness and anger would fuel his attacks. Yes, Dooku did hold back, but Anakin must have had something on him if he disarmed him. I'm sure that wasn't part of Dooku's plan. And the General would need all four weapons to simply defend against Anakin. He'd have no time for counter-attacks. Mace Windu offed GG in less than a minute. I think Anakin could take him, if not with great difficulty.

*sigh* Where's Janus when you need him?

Asleep?

Still GG would do far much better against Anakin then against Obi, let there be no mistake about that. He would still lose however. Anakin would throw the ***** around with the force and he would let his anger control him.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Zodiac, you underestimate Anakin. Sure, Ventress was no Sith, but she almost killed Kenobi two, three times. And General Grievous did fight off four Jedi; then he got killed by one. Obi-Wan did kill GG, but he was hard-pressed against Anakin. And as you saw, Skywalker's ruthless. He'd use the Force in every way he could to bring down GG, and his darkness and anger would fuel his attacks. Yes, Dooku did hold back, but Anakin must have had something on him if he disarmed him. I'm sure that wasn't part of Dooku's plan. And the General would need all four weapons to simply defend against Anakin. He'd have no time for counter-attacks. Mace Windu offed GG in less than a minute. I think Anakin could take him, if not with great difficulty.

*sigh* Where's Janus when you need him?

WTF! Windu offed GG in less than a minute because he nearly crushed his body in two because a door nearly broke him in half hence the cough from the movie. Which is why he probably lost to Obi-Wan and because of his style. And WHAT THE HELL are you talking about Dooku didn't hold back he completely threw the fight. But Anikan is uderrated I will give you that.

. . . Did you read Labyrinth of Evil? Mace knocks GG off a mag-lev in less than a minute, I dunno what you're talking about with the door, etc. And Dooku did hold back, ask the novel, ask GL, ask anyone here with sense. The Sith Lords were testing Anakin, but Dooku was arrogant and greatly undersetimated him, as do many people here. Where did I say he didn't? Calm down, learn some grammar, and learn to read.