Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All the mutants you've mentioned above are to my knowledge alpha mutants. Powerful mutants for sure, among the most powerful on the planet however none of them have omega potential from whats been revealed so far.
I know, i was just using them as examples for the powertypes that an omega might show and those he would rather not. 🙂
Originally posted by dominic/wolf
so what about x man whats he
You dont know unless the comics tell you. Its not something we as readers can just figure out. As far as we know he was an alpha unless anyone can remmeber an issue that says he had omega potential?
The only definite omegas i know of are Rachel, Jean, Iceman, Quentin Quire and Elixir
Originally posted by stormfront13
so to be an omega you have to have phoenix potential?
Being omega as far as i know means you're closest to reaching that stage of final mutation which is phoenix. That doesnt mean that everyone who is omega are suddenly going to become phoenixes. Having the potential doesnt mean its definitely going to be realised.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The only time ive heard alpha mutants being mentioned was in age of apocalypse. It was used to describe the most powerful mutants. The ones who were top of the hierarchy, the ruling class in AOA because of how powerful they were. So powerful energy wielders and general mutant powerhouses would have made the cut. So no jubilee, Leech, Artie etc.Omega speaks for potential. Xmen forever spoke of how humanity is the result of experiments the celestials carried out on early lifeforms, on behalf of the abstracts. The reason for these experiments was to ensure that a race of beings would eventually evolve that would surpass and in turn replace all of the abstracts. This would bring about the end of universe. By creating humanity the abstracts are ensuring that the cycle of life continues to revolve. This final state of evolution is phoenix. Its what all humanity will eventually turn into. Thats why Jean as phoenix is called the "ultimate mutation". Those with omega(the last) potential are the ones closest to reaching this final stage of evolution. Whether their potential results in they themselves turning into phoenixes (like Jean and Quentin Quire have) or their descendants doing so, within omega mutants lies the potential to bring about the end. Hence its name.
Do you have a link to a website that says this?
'Cause I'm really confused.... 😕
Originally posted by stormfront13
I always thought storm was hinted as having omega potential, but now the whole definition of omega has confused me
Being omega does not mean, that you will become a Phoenixavatar like Jean. The Phoenix is just an image used by jean to reflect her connection to the primal force of existence.
When you are an omega, you have the potential to form your own connection to that force. How that connection will look like and how strong it will be is yet uncertain.
I highly doubt it, that iceman on his peak will look like a male version of Jean or Rachel. Quentin(Kid Omega) only looked that way in the White Hot Room (New X-men 154), because it was Jean looking (with her interpretation of this force in mind) at him.
I'd say it's pretty save (and more simple) to claim, that an omega has the potential to express powers of cosmic level...ok!?
🙂
the level is "power output" if you have x-men legends and you go through the dangeroom sequence where she blows it up. they talk about not seeing this kind of power output since the phoenix.. that would make her an omega level mutant kinda, because her power output is so intense.
it doesnt really have anything to do with the connection they have with their powers.
Originally posted by stormfront13
so you have a primal force of existance, well storm is linked and connected to the earth, does that count for anything?
❌ No,no,no...you both, eristole and Stormfront, did not understand what i wanted to explain!
The Phoenix-Force is the primal force of creation, existance and destruction.
Jean as the Phoenix is the highest form of mutation possible(look at the postings of Galactic Storm).
The omega-level states, that a mutant has the potential to reach a point, where he is at least near that highest form of mutation, thus being connected with the phoenix-force.
The phoenix-force is normally a force without any real form. The phoenix is just a signature Jean created subconsciously, that reflects her connection and view (dying and being reborn) towards this force...sooo another omegamutant reaching the fullest expression of his potential does not have to be like Jean or Rachel. He/she would rather take on a signature, that reflects best his connection to the "phoenix"-force. Iceman would certainly not look like a phoenix and JUST IN CASE Storm is an omega, she would for example transform into an elemantal being.
AGAIN...
-Omega-Level = Potential for developement of the highest form of mutation!
-Jean as Phoenix = highest form of mutation; being connected to the primal force of existence(Phoenix-Force)!
-Phoenix = just an image subconsciously created by Jean(the death-rebirth theme reflects her connection/relation to the force)!
-Phoenix-Force = shapeless and just named this way because of Jean!
-Omega-mutant = could take any imaginable form, most likely one that reflects his/her power or his/her connection with the force( if Elixir would be catholic* he would probably turn into...well...a Seraphim for example, because of his religous view towards his connection/relation with the power of creation)!
*please don't say:"Elixir is not catholic!"...IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE TO EXPLAIN THOMETHING!!!
*****since her power depends on the being in a place with weather, where as an omega mutant can pretty much do their thing anywhere(like phoeniz in space, etc..)*****
^^storm has used her powers in space just to let you know, she easily destroyed a sentinal in space.
*****JUST IN CASE Storm is an omega, she would for example transform into an elemantal being.*****
^^in AOA she was an elemental being and in alternate universes aren't power levels supposed to be the same so......shouldn't she be the same in 616?
Originally posted by stormfront13
in AOA she was an elemental being and in alternate universes aren't power levels supposed to be the same so......shouldn't she be the same in 616?
On page 1 of this thread it was me making this assumption and proposing it to you as not a real proof, but at least circumstantial evidence for Storms status as a probable omega...if you remember?!
*****On page 1 of this thread it was me making this assumption and proposing it to you as not a real proof, but at least circumstantial evidence for Storms status as a probable omega...if you remember?!*****
^^yeah, i knew someone said it to me but I couldn't remember who, and I didn't know it was said here lol-srry
Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
I think it would be awesome to see all of the Omega mutants reach Phoenix evolution, maybe have a different raptor, whoa, i smell possibilities!
Would certainly be interesting, however Elixir and Iceman would look like. Storm (i know there is no bulletproof evidence for her being omega) could look like Eternity, just with lightnings,clouds,rain,hail,sunwinds and -erruptions filling her contours...or she would simply look like in AOA.
On the other hand, this scenario would be a pretty heavy powershowoff and i usually tend to prefer mutants with more moderate ablilties like Nightcrawler and Archangel (the Weatherwitch is an exeption to this preference...strong character!).