Count Dooku and General Grievous vs. Yod and Qui-Gon Jinn

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Darth Martin Senior Member

Okay I will admit I had completely forgot that Mundi had been fighting GG for a longer point of time. Everyone's seen that "Look at what a fatigued Mundi can do with the Force" feat. It matters not here for we are talking about lightsaber dueling. The fact is that a focused Darth Maul not taunting or holding back killed a focused Qui Gon Jinn in 32 seconds after the force field opened up. QQ>Maul in lightsaber combat. He's just too fast and strong not to mention he can effectively fight with 5 lightsabers. On Tantooine when Maul jumped off the speeder he must've fought Jinn for meybe 20 seconds and Jinn managed too escape exhausted when Maul was wanting more. Jinn is just seriously outclassed and gets demolished by Grievous here.

Shadow Spider All mighty overlord!

Dooku and CW Grievous would win hands down.

Darth Martin Senior Member

No because Yoda can solo this.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Jinn can't hold Grievous off. In the CW series Vol.2 Grievous disarmed a Ki Adi Mundi in about 3 seconds. He would have killed him if the team of ARC Troopers hadn't of showed up. Ki Adi Mundi is near if not above Jinn's level by then.

Qui-Gon was one of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen, he rivaled [TPM] Mace Windu, and was the finest swordsmen his lightsaber instructor had taught in over 400 years. ROTS Grievous put up a decent fight against ROTS Kenobi so yes, I think Qui-Gon could hold him off for quite some time, he did fend off Maul for a while one on one and Maul was called one of the most powerful Sith Apprentices in history.

I also agree that Mundi is near of above Jinn's level, but Mundi is really good. Have you seen the pic of what he was able to do with the Force when he was fatigued? If not, I can post it here for you. Also, Mundi and the others were exhausted on Hypori even before they fought Grievous, yet an exhausted Ki-Adi Mundi was able to hold off EU General Grievous for over one minute. A lot of people don't realise how long Mundi held off Grievous for one on one, but the team of ARC Troopers find the room where Grievous began fighting the Jedi on Hypori, and all the Jedi are down, except Mundi. It is an entire minute later, to the exact second, before they find Grievous and Mundi fighting, and at that second, Mundi is disarmed and Grievous is about to finish him off. So that means Mundi, alone and exhausted, held off EU General Grievous for at least one minute, so Jinn, who is about on Mundi's level, should be able to hold ROTS General Grievous off for at least a minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Dooku ran from Yoda in AOTC about 50 seconds into their lightsaber duel, and Yoda wasn't going all-out on him. I could see a full-out Yoda taking out Dooku in a minute and a half of less.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Sorry about the above post, I am stealing wi-fi from a neighbor on my laptop and it wans't working properly. I left and went to a new years party, then tried posting it again, not knowing that it had already posted the first time. I tried to edit it, but then the connection kept failing and I can only edit a message for 15 minutes - I ran out of time. Sorry again.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Okay I will admit I had completely forgot that Mundi had been fighting GG for a longer point of time. Everyone's seen that "Look at what a fatigued Mundi can do with the Force" feat. It matters not here for we are talking about lightsaber dueling. The fact is that a focused Darth Maul not taunting or holding back killed a focused Qui Gon Jinn in 32 seconds after the force field opened up. QQ>Maul in lightsaber combat. He's just too fast and strong not to mention he can effectively fight with 5 lightsabers. On Tantooine when Maul jumped off the speeder he must've fought Jinn for meybe 20 seconds and Jinn managed too escape exhausted when Maul was wanting more. Jinn is just seriously outclassed and gets demolished by Grievous here.

Is this a saber duel? I don't see where it says it's a saber duel, so it's an all-out duel, Force and sabers. Maul caught Qui-Gon off guard by hitting him in the face with the handle of his lightaber, and they seemed pretty close during the entire 32 seconds. Did you mean GG > Maul in saber combat? If yes, I'm not so sure, ROTS Grievous and Maul are probably pretty even with sabers. In the desert Qui-Gon was caught by surprise, but more importantly, he was exhausted from running through the desert. I run track, I'm a sprinter. The fastest kid on my team, Antwan, can beat me by a fairly large margin, but if I ra two miles through the desert first, he'd completely obliterate me. Similar to the Maul vs. Qui-Gon fight in the desert on Tatooine. Remember, Jinn rivaled Mace and was one of the Order's finest swordsmen. Dooku says he'd pity EU Grievous should Grievous face any of the Jedi Masters on the Council, and Jinn is at least as strong as most of them are.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
No because Yoda can solo this.

I seriously doubt that. Dooku alone is good enough to give Yoda a tough fight, and EU Grievous is strong enough that he gave Mace Windu a good fight in LOE and Dooku says he's often hard-pressed to defeat Grievous. Dooku could distract Yoda with the Force while Grievous comes at him with lightsabers, and then when Grievous attacks him with sabers, Dooku can stop using the Force and come over with his lightsaber and attack Yoda as well, and Yoda is very powerful but even he couldn't survive that, only a couple people could, NJO Luke, DE Sidious, Darth Caedus, and perhaps a couple others.

Mizukage Yoda Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by darthsith19
Qui-Gon was one of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen, he rivaled [TPM] Mace Windu, and was the finest swordsmen his lightsaber instructor had taught in over 400 years. ROTS Grievous put up a decent fight against ROTS Kenobi so yes, I think Qui-Gon could hold him off for quite some time, he did fend off Maul for a while one on one and Maul was called one of the most powerful Sith Apprentices in history.

I also agree that Mundi is near of above Jinn's level, but Mundi is really good. Have you seen the pic of what he was able to do with the Force when he was fatigued? If not, I can post it here for you. Also, Mundi and the others were exhausted on Hypori even before they fought Grievous, yet an exhausted Ki-Adi Mundi was able to hold off EU General Grievous for [b]over one minute. A lot of people don't realise how long Mundi held off Grievous for one on one, but the team of ARC Troopers find the room where Grievous began fighting the Jedi on Hypori, and all the Jedi are down, except Mundi. It is an entire minute later, to the exact second, before they find Grievous and Mundi fighting, and at that second, Mundi is disarmed and Grievous is about to finish him off. So that means Mundi, alone and exhausted, held off EU General Grievous for at least one minute, so Jinn, who is about on Mundi's level, should be able to hold ROTS General Grievous off for at least a minute and a half. If I remember correctly, Dooku ran from Yoda in AOTC about 50 seconds into their lightsaber duel, and Yoda wasn't going all-out on him. I could see a full-out Yoda taking out Dooku in a minute and a half of less. [/B]


Actually his lightsaber duel with Yoda lasted 30secs so fail to that argument

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Actually his lightsaber duel with Yoda lasted 30secs so fail to that argument

I will check when I get home but I know tha it lasted closer to a minute. Why did you wait so long to reply?