John Constantine (Hellblazer) vs. Batman

Started by King KAM4 pages

Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
What's your idea? After all, that is the prototypical argument for a Batman fanboy. Oh, Batman is God, he could do anything with preparation, even take down God, who he is, but don't make me explain how, because I'm not as smart as Batman. Oh, him, the Batman can take him, just give him a stick of gum, a can of grease, and an hour, and he'll find a way; he's the Batman. Oh, he can take down *insert omniscient character here*, because he's the Batman, and he's more than a man, he's a legend. Seriously, he is a master at what he does, and with the time and knowledge requisite to take down a threat that is basically unstoppable by the rest of the cosmos, he can think of a way to do it. But, keep in mind, that the Batman is not a Victor Von Doom, or a Reed Richards, he doesn't have the ability to just, out of the blue, pull out of his trusty utility belt the salvation of mankind time after time. He can't work off nothing, both data and technology-wise. Most, if not all, of his victories, are either circumstantial, or rely on the indefatigable technology of the New Gods, which is whatever the situation calls for, from remarkably sapient and cerebral computers, to puerile attempts at an all-encompassing travel device that puts you in your place, be that oblivion, the end of time, another dimension, or, most unusually, your destination. There is a limit to his abilities, and no matter how great that ceiling seems to be, its there, and it will be reached when you pit him against opponents such as Thanos or Galactus, who are not just more powerful than him, but are also, by far, more intelligent.

On-topic, it depends on the type of battle. If they just meet on the street, and Batman decides to incapacitate him, for whatever reason that pops into his addled brain, the little gray cells of both of these people won't matter, no matter how vast in quantity they are. In this case, with only three minutes of prep, not much will get done. For Batman, most likely literally nothing will have been accomplished, as, with the limited amount of time given him in this situation, there's not much he can do. Constantine, however, is a mage, and no matter how low on the ladder he is compared to some of his fellow mystics, such as Strange, he might be able to, so to speak, pull one out of his hat, as such a short amount of time seems ideal for a sorcerer of John's abilities to prepare, enough time to ready something, but not enough time for the other side to nullify whatever you have ready. In this case, I say the chain-smoking Englishman wins this. Also, in a fight between Dr. Stephen Strange and Batman, Strange could likely just kick his ass with his martial arts.

too bad im not a batman fanboy im a realist, just like your a NOOB trying to make a name for yourself , too bad nobody gives a good god-damn about what the hell your saying.

Originally posted by King KAM
too bad im not a batman fanboy im a realist, just like your a NOOB trying to make a name for yourself , too bad nobody gives a good god-damn about what the hell your saying.

How are you a realist? How are you not a fanboy? You posited an unlikely situation, and when confronted with the implausibility of such a situation, you resort to such a childish tactic as name-calling. You serve a steaming dish of bullshit, and you expect me to shovel it up and eat it, despite it being completely and utterly false, and, when I ask you how you presume to support your statement, you insult me. I did not intend my post to be an insult, but saying that something will happen without any proof of the possibility of that something happening is an idiotic form of debating. I am sorry if I offended you, but how is it that you could possibly come to the conclusion that Batman could defeat Galactus/Thanos with prep time. Offering up the argument of his intelligence dwarfing your's is merely weaseling out of the problem, and basically announcing that you cannot support your own statements due to their fallible nature.

Batman is God, he could do anything with preparation, even take down God, who he is, but don't make me explain how, because I'm not as smart as Batman. Oh, him, the Batman can take him, just give him a stick of gum, a can of grease, and an hour, and he'll find a way; he's the Batman. Oh, he can take down *insert omniscient character here*, because he's the Batman, and he's more than a man, he's a legend. Seriously, he is a master at what he does, and with the time and knowledge requisite to take down a threat that is basically unstoppable by the rest of the cosmos, he can think of a way to do it.

Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
How are you a realist? How are you not a fanboy? You posited an unlikely situation, and when confronted with the implausibility of such a situation, you resort to such a childish tactic as name-calling. You serve a steaming dish of bullshit, and you expect me to shovel it up and eat it, despite it being completely and utterly false, and, when I ask you how you presume to support your statement, you insult me. I did not intend my post to be an insult, but saying that something will happen without any proof of the possibility of that something happening is an idiotic form of debating. I am sorry if I offended you, but how is it that you could possibly come to the conclusion that Batman could defeat Galactus/Thanos with prep time. Offering up the argument of his intelligence dwarfing your's is merely weaseling out of the problem, and basically announcing that you cannot support your own statements due to their fallible nature.

the same way your doing alot of talking but saying absolutley nothing.

Originally posted by King KAM
the same way your doing alot of talking but saying absolutley nothing.

What do you mean? I said that your entire statement was a fallacy, and that it was completely irrational and illogical. I also said that your statement seemed to be coloured by some sort of inner fanboyism. You responded by calling me a n00b and saying that my words were pointless, and that nobody wished to hear what I had to say, or some such drivel like that. Then I said that there was no need to get angry, and that I merely wished for you to, within reason, explain your statement, and that, as it stood right now, you seemed incapable of doing so. Evidently, I was right. You are not just not intellectually capable of forming a simple, mature response, you are also idiotic enough to make an attempt at a witty retort. Congratulations. You have failed in your attempt. I have said something. I have said that you are a mentally-challenged individual, who cannot, in his tiny little mind, formulate a proper response to anything, and so, as his last resort, lowers himself to such a level that a sentence that is rife with misspellings, is bereft of any sort of puncutation, and wherein the level of grammar is so atrocious that it physically hurts to read such a thing, is considered a smart remark.

Seriously. On track.
In Character, if Batman REALLY wanted to face the consequences of taking COnstantine down, he would. He'd then have to deal with Zatanna, Dream, Deadman, etc etc.. he's that well connected.
But that's on a hand-to-hand note. If it was physical, John wouldn't stand a chance. As he's said MANY times.. He's useless in a punch-up.
But on an intellectual level?
John would outthink Batman. Because he would take each and every chance possible. He may not be a genius, but he's so streetwise, it's frighteing. If he had the prep time, he'd have the spells at the ready. ALl sorts of fun nastiness in store.
How many times has Batman been in Hell?

Originally posted by Hulking Hurler
What do you mean? I said that your entire statement was a fallacy, and that it was completely irrational and illogical. I also said that your statement seemed to be coloured by some sort of inner fanboyism. You responded by calling me a n00b and saying that my words were pointless, and that nobody wished to hear what I had to say, or some such drivel like that. Then I said that there was no need to get angry, and that I merely wished for you to, within reason, explain your statement, and that, as it stood right now, you seemed incapable of doing so. Evidently, I was right. You are not just not intellectually capable of forming a simple, mature response, you are also idiotic enough to make an attempt at a witty retort. Congratulations. You have failed in your attempt. I have said something. I have said that you are a mentally-challenged individual, who cannot, in his tiny little mind, formulate a proper response to anything, and so, as his last resort, lowers himself to such a level that a sentence that is rife with misspellings, is bereft of any sort of puncutation, and wherein the level of grammar is so atrocious that it physically hurts to read such a thing, is considered a smart remark.

you do realize im not reading this.....

Originally posted by BstrdMan
Seriously. On track.
In Character, if Batman REALLY wanted to face the consequences of taking COnstantine down, he would. He'd then have to deal with Zatanna, Dream, Deadman, etc etc.. he's that well connected.
But that's on a hand-to-hand note. If it was physical, John wouldn't stand a chance. As he's said MANY times.. He's useless in a punch-up.
But on an intellectual level?
John would outthink Batman. Because he would take each and every chance possible. He may not be a genius, but he's so streetwise, it's frighteing. If he had the prep time, he'd have the spells at the ready. ALl sorts of fun nastiness in store.
How many times has Batman been in Hell?

Once I think. but good post, you read the first post and used both these guys in character, which is something everyone else needs to do.

Re: John Constantine (Hellblazer) vs. Batman

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
I don't know why, but I can't decide who's more dangerous (to eachother). They both know eachother, and both bet like 3 minutes of prep.

BOTH CHARACTERS ACT IN CHARACTER!!!!!

So you hypothetical hoo-ha types just shut it.

Seriously. On track.
In Character, if Batman REALLY wanted to face the consequences of taking COnstantine down, he would. He'd then have to deal with Zatanna, Dream, Deadman, etc etc.. he's that well connected.
But that's on a hand-to-hand note. If it was physical, John wouldn't stand a chance. As he's said MANY times.. He's useless in a punch-up.
But on an intellectual level?
John would outthink Batman. Because he would take each and every chance possible. He may not be a genius, but he's so streetwise, it's frighteing. If he had the prep time, he'd have the spells at the ready. ALl sorts of fun nastiness in store.
How many times has Batman been in Hell?

Batman has been to hell twice...first he was sent there....superman when and brought him back but was trapped in hell....so batman teamed up with some demon lady....and when back to hell to go get superman...and this time around I think the demon lady granted batman super strength to go get back superman who is about to take control of the underworld.

Originally posted by lifeisaglich
Batman has been to hell twice...first he was sent there....superman when and brought him back but was trapped in hell....so batman teamed up with some demon lady....and when back to hell to go get superman...and this time around I think the demon lady granted batman super strength to go get back superman who is about to take control of the underworld.

I thought as much. Batman even does well in hell, that oughta rile up the Bat-haters.

I thought as much 🙂

batman.
he is the master dective only mr. fantastic, apocalyspe, and dr. doom come close with prep-time.
I've actualy taken the time to ead up on mr. constantine and he is good, but no batman.

Well I'm glad there's a mix of you, I wish a few more of you would post so I could come to a conclusion myself.

Other people Batman could easily own with prep:

LT
Lucifer
Death
The Presence

Just to name a few, of course. Batman with just three minutes of prep time could certainly easily devise a way to defeat both Thanos and Darkseid at the same time! Also, Braniac.

God I love it when the Bat-fanatics get going. You can't make the kind of stuff they say about him UP!


too bad im not a batman fanboy im a realist, just like your a NOOB trying to make a name for yourself , too bad nobody gives a good god-damn about what the hell your saying

You've got a lot of balls to say this right after posting that Batman could take down Galactus and Thanos at the same time.

No fighting! (disguised bump.)

Originally posted by 8bitChris
You've got a lot of balls to say this right after posting that Batman could take down Galactus and Thanos at the same time.

he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole.

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Originally posted by Orestes
That. Is. Beautiful.

LOVE IT. Hold on now, let me see if my new sig works right ...

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