Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You aren't convincing me anything by telling me the thread I started myself.
You keep saying carnage will eat wolverine 50x but im saying hes not by himself. I know you made the thread to try and kill wolverine.
If it was Wolverine Vs Carnage Alone therad
or
Sabertooth Vs Carnage alone
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Venom is stronger then Wolverine.... wow! Every single one of Wolverine's villains has a pretty significant strength edge on him, not that it brings much to the table though, Wolverine beats them all. He has even beaten Roughouse in a barfight.Venom has TENDRILS... yes I know this whats your point? Venom's ranged attacks play second string to his melee combat, he is an up close and personal fighter and lets be honest it isn't like Wolverine hasn't dodged Venom's tendrils before.
You need to start debating characters how they are portrayed and not how you'd like them to be.
You should debate by logic here, and not use crossovers to ensure what you say.
Venom has more options and better range, and can go on walls, how do you see wolverne getting on him again?
Originally posted by Logan 87
You keep saying carnage will eat wolverine 50x but im saying hes not by himself. I know you made the thread to try and kill wolverine.If it was Wolverine Vs Carnage Alone therad
or
Sabertooth Vs Carnage alone
You don't sound like you even know about the characters you even debate.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You should debate by logic here, and not use crossovers to ensure what you say.Venom has more options and better range, and can go on walls, how do you see wolverne getting on him again?
Again Wolverine. You didnt say Sabertooth either. You hate the man Wolverine.
Venom doesnt fight like that much. Its not his style, and you know it
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You should debate by logic here, and not use crossovers to ensure what you say.Venom has more options and better range, and can go on walls, how do you see wolverne getting on him again?
I do use logic... it just happens that it isn't horribly flawed like your own.
In company cross-overs are fair game, hell every fight is a cross-over. Spider-man vs Venom? Check. Wolverine vs Sabretooth? Thats a check. Soooooo... what you are saying is we can't use any fights between characters? Or is it just the ones that don't support your belief?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This is your argument against me ALL the time.You aren't helping your reputation as a fanboy here, I'm not being mean...
Oh man do you realy have to start the name calling. Im just saying my argument.
How is Wolverine not alone my argument all the time when every match hes by himself except this one.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I do use logic... it just happens that it isn't horribly flawed like your own.In company cross-overs are fair game, hell every fight is a cross-over. Spider-man vs Venom? Check. Wolverine vs Sabretooth? Thats a check. Soooooo... what you are saying is we can't use any fights between characters? Or is it just the ones that don't support your belief?
This is coming from the man who thinks wolverine can beat godzilla.
Those are villans, you are talking about matches, but can't explain how'd theyd win. Wolverine beat xxxx before, did wolverine beat carnage.
Fanboys allow their wolveirne love to skip all logic and thinking.
Then they say stuff like, marvel blah blah blah.
Do you know about proficiency? Or leverage, or adhesiveness or veloctiy.
A good hit from carnage can ko wolverine.
Tell me why he couldn't.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This is coming from the man who thinks wolverine can beat godzilla.Those are villans, you are talking about matches, but can't explain how'd theyd win. Wolverine beat xxxx before, did wolverine beat carnage.
Fanboys allow their wolveirne love to skip all logic and thinking.
Then they say stuff like, marvel blah blah blah.
Do you know about proficiency? Or leverage, or adhesiveness or veloctiy.
A good hit from carnage can ko wolverine.
Tell me why he couldn't.
Are you confused as to how Sabs and Wolverine would win? Why didn't you just say so. Now I know Spidy fans looooooooove to forget this but the symbiots can be overloaded with damage, leaving the host exposed. It has happened many times, and considering the massive damage Wolverine and Sabretooth can dish out, they are more then capable of accomplishing this.
Whats this about proficiency, leverage, adhesiveness and veloctiy? Wolverine and Sabretooth are more proficient then Caranage, and I could be wrong but doesn't Wolverine having a lower center of gravity give him more leverage? Not sure what being sticky has to do with anything... sooooooo yeah.
Because a good hit from Wendigo (sub any class 100) can't knock out Wolverine?
Originally posted by Logan 87
In this Debate or all debates ?if this one, its because you dont get that hes not alone
in others hes by himself so how can i use that
So you are saying that he's not alone, I understand that.
You realize that wolverine and sabretooth are VERY similar, and that carnage is willing to kill more than ANY of these guys, and the ones related to him?
What is wolverine and sabretooth going to do, against carnage?
I myself said they may have a chance, perhaps you can change my mind.
convince me...
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are you confused as to how Sabs and Wolverine would win? Why didn't you just say so. Now I know Spidy fans looooooooove to forget this but the symbiots can be overloaded with damage, leaving the host exposed. It has happened many times, and considering the massive damage Wolverine and Sabretooth can dish out, they are more then capable of accomplishing this.Whats this about proficiency, leverage, adhesiveness and veloctiy? Wolverine and Sabretooth are more proficient then Caranage, and I could be wrong but doesn't Wolverine having a lower center of gravity give him more leverage? Not sure what being sticky has to do with anything... sooooooo yeah.
Because a good hit from Wendigo (sub any class 100) can't knock out Wolverine?
Like that CM
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Are you confused as to how Sabs and Wolverine would win? Why didn't you just say so. Now I know Spidy fans looooooooove to forget this but the symbiots can be overloaded with damage, leaving the host exposed. It has happened many times, and considering the massive damage Wolverine and Sabretooth can dish out, they are more then capable of accomplishing this.Whats this about proficiency, leverage, adhesiveness and veloctiy? Wolverine and Sabretooth are more proficient then Caranage, and I could be wrong but doesn't Wolverine having a lower center of gravity give him more leverage? Not sure what being sticky has to do with anything... sooooooo yeah.
Because a good hit from Wendigo (sub any class 100) can't knock out Wolverine?
Becuase a good hit from daredevil and archangel and OR couldn't knock wolveirne out.
I understand the symiote an be overloaded, but is Carnage just going to stand there? No, he is basically their superior.
He can shoot objects trap wolverine, and if he goes on the wall, there is nothing that Creed and Logan can do.
I know wolverine fans love to leave out all the options in a match, and assume that characters are going to stand there and let them slice them up.
Thanks for telling me that you don't understand proificiency, and the other things I mentioned. You don't understand how powerful carnage is? He is VERY adapted and clever, therefore he is proificient.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Becuase a good hit from daredevil and archangel and OR couldn't knock wolveirne out.I understand the symiote an be overloaded, but is Carnage just going to stand there? No, he is basically their superior.
He can shoot objects trap wolverine, and if he goes on the wall, there is nothing that Creed and Logan can do.
I know wolverine fans love to leave out all the options in a match, and assume that characters are going to stand there and let them slice them up.
Thanks for telling me that you don't understand proificiency, and the other things I mentioned. You don't understand how powerful carnage is? He is VERY adapted and clever, therefore he is proificient.
Dare Devil or Archangel (excluding his metal feathers) knocking out Wolverine is pure PIS.
I never said Caranage would be standing still but the fact of the matter his he will need to keep moving constantly or willfully engange Wolverine and Sabretooth in combat. In a game of cat and mouse where Caranage keeps moving an throwing projectiles you can't seriously think that Wolverine or Sabretooth wont hit him sooner or later... and since they wont be standing around while he shots his ranged attacks at them, ranged attacks become more or less moot.
I'll try to do this so you can understand proificiency = competance/skill. Are you trying to say Caranage is more competent or skillfull then Wolverine or Sabretooth? Maybe classic Victor but thats about it. There is also the fact that you just can't say someone is more proficient then an other person since proficiency changes as you assess a persons talents. That being said Caranage is only more proficent at ranged combat... and climbing walls.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dare Devil or Archangel (excluding his metal feathers) knocking out Wolverine is pure PIS.I never said Caranage would be standing still but the fact of the matter his he will need to keep moving constantly or willfully engange Wolverine and Sabretooth in combat. In a game of cat and mouse where Caranage keeps moving an throwing projectiles you can't seriously think that Wolverine or Sabretooth wont hit him sooner or later... and since they wont be standing around while he shots his ranged attacks at them, ranged attacks become more or less moot.
I'll try to do this so you can understand proificiency = competance/skill. Are you trying to say Caranage is more competent or skillfull then Wolverine or Sabretooth? Maybe classic Victor but thats about it. There is also the fact that you just can't say someone is more proficient then an other person since proficiency changes as you assess a persons talents. That being said Caranage is only more proficent at ranged combat... and climbing walls.
well said...well said..
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dare Devil or Archangel (excluding his metal feathers) knocking out Wolverine is pure PIS.I never said Caranage would be standing still but the fact of the matter his he will need to keep moving constantly or willfully engange Wolverine and Sabretooth in combat. In a game of cat and mouse where Caranage keeps moving an throwing projectiles you can't seriously think that Wolverine or Sabretooth wont hit him sooner or later... and since they wont be standing around while he shots his ranged attacks at them, ranged attacks become more or less moot.
I'll try to do this so you can understand proificiency = competance/skill. Are you trying to say Caranage is more competent or skillfull then Wolverine or Sabretooth? Maybe classic Victor but thats about it. There is also the fact that you just can't say someone is more proficient then an other person since proficiency changes as you assess a persons talents. That being said Caranage is only more proficent at ranged combat... and climbing walls.
Understood, but the likelihood of carnage simply being slashed away like that is low, because carnage has a danger sense. I don't see that warranting a victory.
The reason I used your examples was to show you what I meant.
You said that wolvie stalemated venom, I said that DD took out sabretooth.
I don't think DD or elecktra would beat wolverine, but carnage is more skilled with his symbiote, as for killing he does that too. His power leaves wolverine near obsolete, so creed is a big threat. If carnage was indeed willing to kill them, which he is, he will win.
The wolverine beats all melee brawlers isn't working, because carnage does even more massive damage, he owns there also.