Originally posted by demigawd
"something" isn't a very good application of brain, is it? You're the writer - use YOUR brain. What can Batman come up with? I'm tired of people like Batman and Doom being excused from needing valid reasons to support a victory because they're walking plot devices. That doesn't fly here.
It flies because that is what Batman does. You don't have to like it. It plays out over and over and OVER and over again in the comic books.
Not once. Not twice. Myriad.
Sorry, Iceman in no way poses enough of a threat considering what Batman has already overcome.
Same thing with Black Panther. Do people like it? No. Does that change anything? No.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
HA...iceman is now god like...how is Batman gonna be able to think of something that can take ALL the water vapor in the world out without killing people since iceman can exist as water vapor ad "teleport" his concouisness through it...
Easy.
He's Batman.
He'll think of something.
Why do I have to explain it further?
🙄
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I hate prep, with enough prep I could take batman...
Originally posted by Zod4Life
Come on,Batman can make a device that takes away Iceman's powers.He's Batman people!!!A scientist.
Forge made a gun that could do that. And it sure didnt take a day to make. Batman isnt an inventing genius such as Forge. Iceman freezing blood is instant and takes no effort.
Plus not everyone is knowledgeable of that skill. Emma felt that first hand. Shes one of the few. Its not like he has to touch Bats or anything. Batman could do all the research he wants, but blood control isnt in the data files.
Originally posted by Zod4Life
Yeah right.And I can take Superman without Kryptonite. 🙄
Prep isn't all about items, its about knowing the enemy.
Idiots always say that batman will use sonics on venom and carnage, because they are in his belt.
How!?!?! Does he know them, no, without prep he'd be ripped to shreds.
If I prepare enough, and knew batman I could beat him, if they didn't know about me.
He's batman, heees so overrated sometimes.
Originally posted by demigawd
This thread is stupid. How do you debate with people who's reasoning is, "He's BATMAN!" Prep should be limited to strategies and building things a character has built before, to prevent fanboys saying, "Batman builds an anti-Living Tribunal ray and..."
Apparently the very same way you debate someone who says "he's Iceman. He can freeze Batman in a nanosecond. He can freeze all of the water vapor on the entire earth in a picosecond."
Funny how that's acceptable (naming Iceman's feats) but saying that's what Batman does isn't.
But do you.
Originally posted by Never
Apparently the very same way you debate someone who says "he's Iceman. He can freeze Batman in a nanosecond. He can freeze all of the water vapor on the entire earth in a picosecond."Funny how that's acceptable (naming Iceman's feats) but saying that's what Batman does isn't.
But do you.
The difference is, Iceman has done this before, so there's precedent. To say, "Batman comes up with something" is too nebulous to have any value. You could say, "Batman has, in the past, built a molecular shielder overnight that prevents the scrambling of any molecules, so he could use that against Iceman", and that would be valid. To say, "He's BATMAN!" is not.
Just because I can:
Bobby Drake could be, potentially, one of the most powerful mutants on
the planet. Look at his power. People say “Ooh! He makes ice.” Or
now, “Ooh, he can turn himself into ice!"
But let’s step back. Basic physics says that there is no such thing
as “cold”, as a quantative energy form. Only degrees of heat. “Cold” is
relative term, requiring a difference between the observerd target and
the temperature of the observer. Example: I’m standing in my office, at
a nice 73 degrees. The cabbie outside is standing on the street,
shivering in 40 degrees. To me, he is cold. Whereas if I were buried in
snow at around 20 degrees, I’d consider him pretty warm.
Right then, we’ve established that there is no such energy form
as “cold”. So, Bobby doesn’t generate cold to form ice, and he doesn’t
generate the moisture himself (imagine how quickly he’d be
dehydrated). Therefore, he forms his ice structures from the ambient
moisture in the enviroment around him. To do this he causes the
moisture to freeze.
But how? We know he doesn’t “project cold”, so then he must absorb or
dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant,
it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let’s go to another scientific
principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an
object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing around, the
hotter it is.
What Bobby Drake does, as I see it, is project a field that inhibits the
motion of those particles (herein referred to as Brownian Motion) thus
dropping the temperature and freezing the moisture.
However, the amount of water vapor in any given area is not consistent
with the large stunts he regularly pulls of ( Ice slides, ice walls, ect). If
he were to coalesce that much water vapor in one place and freeze it,
the humidity all along the Eastern Seaboard would drop dramatically,
we’d have wildcat lightning storms all over the place, cats and dogs
living together, it would be anarchy, you see my point.
So that extra frozen mass has to come from somewere. Remember
water vapor isn’t the only thing in the air. You have a mixture of all
sorts of gases. One of the most prominent of these is carbon dioxide.
Compared to the other prominent gases in our atmosphere
(nitrogen, the most common, and oxygen), carbon dioxide has a
relatively high temperature (although still incredibly low) at which it
becomes solid. It is my theory that the most part of Bobby’s ice
structures are composed of frozen carbon dioxide, or “dry
ice”. This would explain why Manhattan isn’t flooded everytime his ice
slides melt, since most of it sumblimes into gaseous carbon dioxide.
So, what Bobby does is inhibit the Brownian Motion of objects. He can
do this so quickly that there is no expansion of the target’s water
content, as was seen when he flash-froze Legion completely. Had he
merely frozen all the moisture in Legion’s body, well....put an
unopened can of soda in the freezer sometime. Wait a few days. Watch
the results. Legion would be a messy red chunck when he thawed.
Bobby is an incredibly powerful cryokinetic. But thats not the only extent
to his powers. Since Mikhail’s fiddling, he can transform his entire body
into a water-based organism. In his form of homogenous ice, his
thought processes go on, even though water is a MUCH less efficient
conducter than neurons in the himan brain. Basically, Bobby
converts all the molecules of his body into water, and freezes it and
molds it as he moves. He has the capability to assume a completely
liquid form (as Emma did when in control of his body) as well has the
ability to “teleport” by zapping his consciousness through water vapor in
the atmosphere, reforming at his desired location. In AoA, this was
referred to “moisture inversion”. He has also shown the ability
to “levitate” himself though he rarely uses this ability.
Through time and practice Bobby could one day realize his potiental.
Here are somethings that could do through realization and training:
Create a “giant” ice form with corresponding strength and stability
Create and animate multiple ice forms
Coalese all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping
the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical
storms, ect
Inhibiting the moisture in other peoples bodies causing havok on them, or hitching a ride.
As well as many other stunts. In closing, Bobby is a rightful Omega
class powered mutant he just hasnt realized his full potiental as of yet.