Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So your conclusion is that Superman would hit him faster, and hit him hard enough to Ko him in the first strike?
I never seen SS fight very fast (travel yes). Never! He always manages to get hit by physical blows. As far as the KO, only a non holding back Superman could KO him in 1 hit (2hits tops). I base this on Thor doing it. And IMO I think a non holding back Superman has more knock out power than Thor. Just my opinion though.
Now if SS never shown this weakness and has been shown often to fight at super speed then I would easily give him 10/10.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I would argue that plenty of SS getting hit by slower things could be a plot devices. So at the best of abilities you would say Supes does it easy then?
I wouldn't say easy.
Its hard to say. Many comics suck. And writers are to blame.
Once you see a character get hit and hurt so many times you stop believing that what you are seeing is all lies. You start to think that it is the truth. I mean I've read alot of SS comics (I even own several). I used to even like him alot. But with all the dissapointment, I'm almost convinced that he is not that fast in fighting. I mean I used to think spiderman shouldn't be able to get hit by slower moving enemies. I even argued my ass off with some of the best here (Darkcrawer, etc.) that spiderman shouldn't get hit due to his spidersense alone. But after so many hits I see him taking, I'm starting to give up and think "Maybe he's not as I thought" or maybe that damn spidersense is a lie. Its hard to argue for someone when they are constantly showing more the opposite. This makes us seem to even lie to ourselves. Even when we constantly see the same stuff over and over.
So, I don't know. I just go by what I see in comics. And I see (and feel) that Superman can KO SS (if he isn't holding back).
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I might call mild fanboy on BRH. Thor, Superman, Surfer, and Strange are all very iffy, and Surfer/Strange is probably just flat-out wrong.So nothing against him. It's mostly right. Just callin' it like I see it.
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Let me explain a bit.
First off, I was kidding about Doc Strange.
Second, Bill was able to KO Surfer with two punches during Blood and Thunder. Not to mention that Thor's beaten Surfer as well, so it's not outside mentioning that he'd beat Surfer at least five out of ten time.
He's beaten Thor before, and in just about any fight they're going to come out even. The reason I give Bill the nod is because his fighting style would give him an edge whilst Thor is blabbing on.
Superman he takes a slim majority, but it's close. I think he'd give Superman a better fight than Thor would. ๐ฌ
Originally posted by h1a8Yea, well that's why we argue them at their max potential here. They aren't meant to be a comic.
I wouldn't say easy.
Its hard to say. Many comics suck. And writers are to blame.
Once you see a character get hit and hurt so many times you stop believing that what you are seeing is all lies. You start to think that it is the truth. I mean I've read alot of SS comics (I even own several). I used to even like him alot. But with all the dissapointment, I'm almost convinced that he is not that fast in fighting. I mean I used to think spiderman shouldn't be able to get hit by slower moving enemies. I even argued my ass off with some of the best here (Darkcrawer, etc.) that spiderman shouldn't get hit due to his spidersense alone. But after so many hits I see him taking, I'm starting to give up and think "Maybe he's not as I thought" or maybe that damn spidersense is a lie. Its hard to argue for someone when they are constantly showing more the opposite. This makes us seem to even lie to ourselves. Even when we constantly see the same stuff over and over.So, I don't know. I just go by what I see in comics. And I see (and feel) that Superman can KO SS (if he isn't holding back).
I feel that Supes could ko SS, but not with super ease, it would take more than a shot or two IMO. Because Surfers best feats are up there, but his known abilities are just made to counter Supes, who is a living Solar battery. Surfer out of character would definitely win, as he could just absorb the sun.
Re: Take the versus fanboy test....
Superman - Batman
Namor yes - yes
Spiderman yes - yes
Venom yes - yes
Carnage yes - yes
Taskmaster yes - yes
Elecktra yes - yes
Daredevil yes - yes
Dock Ock yes - yes
Sandman yes - yes
Hydroman yes - yes
Omega Red yes - yes
Sabretooth yes - yes
Mr. x yes - yes
Cyclops yes - yes
Xavier yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Nightcrawleer yes - yes
Ryu yes - yes
Ken yes - yes
Bison yes - yes
Akuma yes - yes
Iron Man yes - yes
Hulk yes - yes
Shang Chi yes - yes
Karate Kid yes - yes
Apocalypse yes - yes
Storm yes - yes
Shadowcat yes - yes
Green Goblin yes - yes
Hobgoblin yes - yes
Godzilla yes - yes
Silver Surfer yes - yes
Firelord yes - yes
Human Torch yes - yes
Dr. Doom yes - yes
Thing yes - yes
Tyrant yes - yes
Zarathos yes - yes
Dormammu yes - yes
Dr. Strange yes - yes
Deathstroke yes - yes
Batman NO COMMENT
Gambit yes - yes
Deadpool yes - yes
Superman NO COMMENT
Wonder Woman yes - yes
Green Arrow yes - yes
Hawkeye yes - yes
Wasp yes - yes
Thor yes - yes
Odin yes - yes
TOAA yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Living Tribunal yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Galactus yes - yes
Krypto You have to be an absolute a$$h0le to beat a qute dog like Kryto NO - NO
Supergirl yes - yes
Tombstone yes - yes
Morlun yes - yes
Kraven yes - yes
Invisible Woman yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Quicksiver yes - yes
Scarlet Witch yes - yes
Havok yes - yes
Jean Grey yes - yes
Phoenix yes - yes
Mickey Mouse tricky but hell !! yes - yes
Cable yes - yes
She Hulk yes - yes
Thanos yes - yes
Iceman yes - yes
I guess I'm no fanboy ๐
Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman - BatmanNamor yes - yes
Spiderman yes - yes
Venom yes - yes
Carnage yes - yes
Taskmaster yes - yes
Elecktra yes - yes
Daredevil yes - yes
Dock Ock yes - yes
Sandman yes - yes
Hydroman yes - yes
Omega Red yes - yes
Sabretooth yes - yes
Mr. x yes - yes
Cyclops yes - yes
Xavier yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Nightcrawleer yes - yes
Ryu yes - yes
Ken yes - yes
Bison yes - yes
Akuma yes - yes
Iron Man yes - yes
Hulk yes - yes
Shang Chi yes - yes
Karate Kid yes - yes
Apocalypse yes - yes
Storm yes - yes
Shadowcat yes - yes
Green Goblin yes - yes
Hobgoblin yes - yes
Godzilla yes - yes
Silver Surfer yes - yes
Firelord yes - yes
Human Torch yes - yes
Dr. Doom yes - yes
Thing yes - yes
Tyrant yes - yes
Zarathos yes - yes
Dormammu yes - yes
Dr. Strange yes - yes
Deathstroke yes - yes
Batman NO COMMENT
Gambit yes - yes
Deadpool yes - yes
Superman NO COMMENT
Wonder Woman yes - yes
Green Arrow yes - yes
Hawkeye yes - yes
Wasp yes - yes
Thor yes - yes
Odin yes - yes
TOAA yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Living Tribunal yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Galactus yes - yes
Krypto You have to be an absolute a$$ to beat a qute dog like Kryto NO - NO
Supergirl yes - yes
Tombstone yes - yes
Morlun yes - yes
Kraven yes - yes
Invisible Woman yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Quicksiver yes - yes
Scarlet Witch yes - yes
Havok yes - yes
Jean Grey yes - yes
Phoenix yes - yes
Mickey Mouse tricky but hell !! yes - yes
Cable yes - yes
She Hulk yes - yes
Thanos yes - yes
Iceman yes - yes
I call fanboy!
You once asked me who my favorite character was. Go to page 24 and you'll find your answer.
Re: Re: Take the versus fanboy test....
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman - BatmanNamor yes - yes
Spiderman yes - yes
Venom yes - yes
Carnage yes - yes
Taskmaster yes - yes
Elecktra yes - yes
Daredevil yes - yes
Dock Ock yes - yes
Sandman yes - yes
Hydroman yes - yes
Omega Red yes - yes
Sabretooth yes - yes
Mr. x yes - yes
Cyclops yes - yes
Xavier yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Nightcrawleer yes - yes
Ryu yes - yes
Ken yes - yes
Bison yes - yes
Akuma yes - yes
Iron Man yes - yes
Hulk yes - yes
Shang Chi yes - yes
Karate Kid yes - yes
Apocalypse yes - yes
Storm yes - yes
Shadowcat yes - yes
Green Goblin yes - yes
Hobgoblin yes - yes
Godzilla yes - yes
Silver Surfer yes - yes
Firelord yes - yes
Human Torch yes - yes
Dr. Doom yes - yes
Thing yes - yes
Tyrant yes - yes
Zarathos yes - yes
Dormammu yes - yes
Dr. Strange yes - yes
Deathstroke yes - yes
Batman NO COMMENT
Gambit yes - yes
Deadpool yes - yes
Superman NO COMMENT
Wonder Woman yes - yes
Green Arrow yes - yes
Hawkeye yes - yes
Wasp yes - yes
Thor yes - yes
Odin yes - yes
TOAA yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Living Tribunal yes (depends) - yes (team up with Supes)
Galactus yes - yes
Krypto You have to be an absolute a$$h0le to beat a qute dog like Kryto NO - NO
Supergirl yes - yes
Tombstone yes - yes
Morlun yes - yes
Kraven yes - yes
Invisible Woman yes - yes
Magneto yes - yes
Quicksiver yes - yes
Scarlet Witch yes - yes
Havok yes - yes
Jean Grey yes - yes
Phoenix yes - yes
Mickey Mouse tricky but hell !! yes - yes
Cable yes - yes
She Hulk yes - yes
Thanos yes - yes
Iceman yes - yesI guess I'm no fanboy ๐
Yes! Yes you are a fanboy. I don't mean to insult you but c'mon!
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A bit fanboyish. I'm curious about some of these... ๐
A little, I was being really generous ๐
In retrospect, there are probably a bunch who could pull off BFR or containment wins 10/10 that MT couldn't do anything against.... Like invisible woman
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You think he beats Karate Kid? Explain?
Unless I fail to understand the character, there is nothing he could do to Man-Thing
Any sort of physical attack, regardless of how skilled, will just pass through his mush, and KK is most likely to get tangled up inside of him the same way Shang Chi does here:
Chi may have been drugged, but being more controlled would have made him no more able to hurt man-thing.