Why I'm better than god....

1. In gods eyes he is scientific proof too, you'll never meet him just as much as you'll never meet me.

seriously kid. You're annoying. For something to be fact it requires ...pay attention here...for the fourth time....data that can be tested, giving the same results every time......that is called "proof". It makes no difference what your opinion, my opinion or anybody's opinion is. Opinion has nothing to do with something being proven fact or not. What meeting you or god has to do with anything is beyond me. Atleast you exist, I do actually have the possibility of meeting you.

2. You could do the test yourself but i would never see it. Just as much as you'll never see god, he could make a new proof but you might not be there to see it.

incoherent, jibberish, nonsense.

3. The Bible doesn't say that the moon is carried by a mammoth, it doesn't say god is that mammoth. The Bible says that god is a spirit, whom at the beginning hung the earth in NOTHING and made it shapeless/NO corners etc.

what the holy hell are you going on about?

You're saying philosiphy is childish? I am amazed at your suggestion. You are clearly looking in the wrong direction here, if we are trying to prove the existance of god then look at the simalarities to how we see god and life which you believe is proven.

no, philosophy is not childish. Neither is theology, the topic we are discussing here. Engaging in the topic does not make you childish. Everybody in this thread is engaging in the topic. Based on the fact that you are stringing together sentences that don't make sense (jibberish) and seem to have no concept of the very things you are bringing up in the conversation, I find you rather childish. You never did answer the question, by the way. Was twelve correct?

I can't see you.
You can't see god.

You send messages.
God sends miracles.

I will only see you if I leave my house.
You will only see god if your spirit(you) leaves your body.

cute......but by claiming that god sends "miracles" you are stating that god does have an actual affect on this earth. Affect is a testable source of data......which could prove god's existence. Please share with me when these "miracles" took place. I'm surprised I havn't heard about it on the news..........seems like it'd be newsworthy......the god and creator offering proof of his existence and all.

In the beginning God made humans like him, perfect, it's just sin that changed their DNA into having such dilemnas, and also The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil changed things.

Ha........so now morality and knowledge have the power to change a person's DNA? So if I study really hard.......learn alot......my DNA will change? The very physical make up of my being will change if I choose a different set of morals to live by?

Do you know what kind of Whale it means? And also, all underwater creatures breath oxygen, they separate the O2 from the Hydrogen, remember that people didn't know about the insides of a whale in them days, so he could have been just trapped in the mouth.

It's irrelevant the species of whale. Technically it doesn't say whale.....it says "fish" and a whale is a mammal, not a fish. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one as there are know fish large enough to swallow a man whole. Whale's do breathe oxygen, but not from the water.......they do not have gills, they have lungs........they surface to breath. Whales can swim for hours on end with one breath of air......man can breath for a few minutes. Being in the mouth (avoiding the digestive system) still means he would have suffocated in mere minutes. I was actually being favorable when saying he would have suffocated in the stomach as the whale may have swallowed air while swallowing Jonah.........allowing him to breath for much longer than the few minutes. What do you mean people didn't know about the inside of a whale in those days?.......according to you the words in the bible came from god. Here, I'll quote you. "Wrong, the Bible was written by Moses etc who was told things by God, Moses wrote Genesis by being told what happend by God."

Do you mean the fossils that we should be finding in our back garden? Scientists thought that the moon would be piled on with space dust, infact there was hardly any, showing that the moon could have only been around for about 8'000 years. And still, there would be nothing to cover the bones, with hardly any space dust and the idea that the ground should be getting LOWER everyday because of the large amount of animals walking on it, wearing it away for the odd 2,500,000 years!!!

wow......idiotic. The moon is covered in space dust. Not as much as thought before we landed on it..........covered none the less. Meteorite impacts send dust flying off the moon.........aswell as solar winds. Where you get the date of 8,000 years is beyond me.....the amount of dust on it has nothing to do with it's age......it is completely dependent upon how many impacts the planet has had sending dust off it's surface into space........which if you've seen a picture of the moon is a lot. It's covered in craters from these impacts. This entire paragraph of yours is idiotic, based on a complete lack of knowledge in the area. Um....the ground does not get lower......water rises in areas. The only time land "gets lower" is when techtonic plates move across one another forming a mountain........one plate gets pushed up, resulting in the mountain.......the other gets pushed below. Seriously.......this paragraph makes no sense. Exactly what are you trying to state here? Whatever it is.......it doesn't change the fact that the bible's timeline of our planet is off my hundreds of millions of years, hardly a small over sight.

God didn't think we'd want the age of the earth. And what's the point of telling people about the insides of a whale? Thinking about it God could have kept Jonah alive himself.

do you pretend now to know what a god would and would not want you to know? are you a god? If "god" didn't want us to know about the earth's creation and timeline.......there would be no book of Genesis in your bible.

Wrong, the Bible was written by Moses etc who was told things by God, Moses wrote Genesis by being told what happend by God.

who told you that, your parents? Remember, these are the same people who told you that Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy were all real.

In the Bible it explains that in the near future an evil guy named Anti-Christ would come, his origin would be from some new country which would be a superpower(If you haven't heard of Asian etc Muslims creating a superpower country greater than america) and first this anti-christ would take over a country which(after a short while of looking at maps) should be America, which is a free country for beliefs etc. This Anti-Christ would use America to take over the rest of the world. God would take those who beleive in him away to a new place and a new beginning.

The Bible also states that the warnings for end of the world would include war, natural disasters(hurricanes, tsunami, earthquakes etc.), poverty and other things like.

bahaahaaa. Have you read Revelations? Have you actually read this book you've been going on and on about? It appears as though you have not. You got the Anti-christ right..........that's about it.

P.S. what's this about the Asians and Muslims (a religion..not nationality...a religion with members of many countries) forming a plot to overthrow the world? Jesus christ that made me laugh..........you entertain me.

I get the impression that some of these "kids" don't read the bible, they read secondary books filled with propaganda. Then they get on line and make these statements and say it's from the bible. They are well entrenched into this way of thinking. Is it passable to get then to think for themselves?

If you do not think for yourself, some else will think for you!

Originally posted by Evil Dead
seriously kid. You're annoying. For something to be fact it requires ...pay attention here...for the fourth time....[b]data that can be tested, giving the same results every time......that is called "proof". It makes no difference what your opinion, my opinion or anybody's opinion is. Opinion has nothing to do with something being proven fact or not. What meeting you or god has to do with anything is beyond me. Atleast you exist, I do actually have the possibility of meeting you.

incoherent, jibberish, nonsense.

what the holy hell are you going on about?

no, philosophy is not childish. Neither is theology, the topic we are discussing here. Engaging in the topic does not make you childish. Everybody in this thread is engaging in the topic. Based on the fact that you are stringing together sentences that don't make sense (jibberish) and seem to have no concept of the very things you are bringing up in the conversation, I find you rather childish. You never did answer the question, by the way. Was twelve correct?

cute......but by claiming that god sends "miracles" you are stating that god does have an actual affect on this earth. Affect is a testable source of data......which could prove god's existence. Please share with me when these "miracles" took place. I'm surprised I havn't heard about it on the news..........seems like it'd be newsworthy......the god and creator offering proof of his existence and all.

Ha........so now morality and knowledge have the power to change a person's DNA? So if I study really hard.......learn alot......my DNA will change? The very physical make up of my being will change if I choose a different set of morals to live by?

It's irrelevant the species of whale. Technically it doesn't say whale.....it says "fish" and a whale is a mammal, not a fish. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one as there are know fish large enough to swallow a man whole. Whale's do breathe oxygen, but not from the water.......they do not have gills, they have lungs........they surface to breath. Whales can swim for hours on end with one breath of air......man can breath for a few minutes. Being in the mouth (avoiding the digestive system) still means he would have suffocated in mere minutes. I was actually being favorable when saying he would have suffocated in the stomach as the whale may have swallowed air while swallowing Jonah.........allowing him to breath for much longer than the few minutes. What do you mean people didn't know about the inside of a whale in those days?.......according to you the words in the bible came from god. Here, I'll quote you. "Wrong, the Bible was written by Moses etc who was told things by God, Moses wrote Genesis by being told what happend by God."

wow......idiotic. The moon is covered in space dust. Not as much as thought before we landed on it..........covered none the less. Meteorite impacts send dust flying off the moon.........aswell as solar winds. Where you get the date of 8,000 years is beyond me.....the amount of dust on it has nothing to do with it's age......it is completely dependent upon how many impacts the planet has had sending dust off it's surface into space........which if you've seen a picture of the moon is a lot. It's covered in craters from these impacts. This entire paragraph of yours is idiotic, based on a complete lack of knowledge in the area. Um....the ground does not get lower......water rises in areas. The only time land "gets lower" is when techtonic plates move across one another forming a mountain........one plate gets pushed up, resulting in the mountain.......the other gets pushed below. Seriously.......this paragraph makes no sense. Exactly what are you trying to state here? Whatever it is.......it doesn't change the fact that the bible's timeline of our planet is off my hundreds of millions of years, hardly a small over sight.

do you pretend now to know what a god would and would not want you to know? are you a god? If "god" didn't want us to know about the earth's creation and timeline.......there would be no book of Genesis in your bible.

who told you that, your parents? Remember, these are the same people who told you that Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy were all real.

bahaahaaa. Have you read Revelations? Have you actually read this book you've been going on and on about? It appears as though you have not. You got the Anti-christ right..........that's about it.

P.S. what's this about the Asians and Muslims (a religion..not nationality...a religion with members of many countries) forming a plot to overthrow the world? Jesus christ that made me laugh..........you entertain me. [/B]

I thought it was worth telling you this, but your mind is like a brick wall, one last try.

"what's this about the Asians and Muslims (a religion..not nationality...a religion with members of many countries) forming a plot to overthrow the world? Jesus christ that made me laugh..........you entertain me."
NO I didn't say that they all were planning world domination, i watched on the news that Asian Muslims and a few others were going to make a super power country not for the purpose of taking over the world, it would be one who would come from that country which would take over the world.

Now for the other thing:
Your existance is just as realistic to me as the existance of god is to you. We cannot see god, the messages he sends us are miracles and all the proof you could conjure up/all the science you use about you I will never see, you might have never seen a miracle by god or any proof but it doesn't dispell his existance, and aslong as someone has seen a miracle by god or any proof than he exists.

"who told you that, your parents? Remember, these are the same people who told you that Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy were all real." Oh, and who originally told you that God didn't exist? your parents? Don't say that it was your choice because someone had to get it stuck into your head that a gods existance is impossible, and just because us Christians actually have control over what we beleive doesn't mean that you're right, it is actually more likely for us to be right because things stay the same to use, what we was told by our parents probably traces back to when the word of god first came to my country, meaning that those things did actually happen.
Plus, my parents told me about the non-existance of Santa and the Easter Bunny etc ages ago, so if god was fake the one whom created it would have told everyone before it became big.

"wow......idiotic. The moon is covered in space dust. Not as much as thought before we landed on it..........covered none the less. Meteorite impacts send dust flying off the moon.........aswell as solar winds. Where you get the date of 8,000 years is beyond me.....the amount of dust on it has nothing to do with it's age......it is completely dependent upon how many impacts the planet has had sending dust off it's surface into space........which if you've seen a picture of the moon is a lot. It's covered in craters from these impacts. This entire paragraph of yours is idiotic, based on a complete lack of knowledge in the area. Um....the ground does not get lower......water rises in areas. The only time land "gets lower" is when techtonic plates move across one another forming a mountain........one plate gets pushed up, resulting in the mountain.......the other gets pushed below. Seriously.......this paragraph makes no sense. Exactly what are you trying to state here? Whatever it is.......it doesn't change the fact that the bible's timeline of our planet is off my hundreds of millions of years, hardly a small over sight."

1.The moon doesn't have wind to blow anything off

2. Meteors also add dust to the moon, and over billions of years it could have carried life which ofcourse it didn't.

What you have stated has concentrated too much on geographical/scientific things and not on the simple stuff which my little brother could understand. Everyone knows that ground gets worn away, just like everything else on the planet, if the sea could ware away the ground why couldn't solid objects ware away the ground too?

Another thing is, how come the earths core hasn't cooled yet? Over Millions/Billions of years the earths core would have cooled by now.

I think God depends on they way we perceive the world, in which we have freedom of choice; if God don´t affect the world, then he doesn´t exist, if he does affect the world, then he exist. We should be discussing if God affect the world or not. If miracles is when God affects the world, then what is considered a miracle ? I mean how we discriminate if something is a miracle or not ? In buddhism fro example, everything is a miracle, it all came from God. So God does affect the world, and he must exist.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think God depends on they way we perceive the world, in which we have freedom of choice; if God don´t affect the world, then he doesn´t exist, if he does affect the world, then he exist. We should be discussing if God affect the world or not. If miracles is when God affects the world, then what is considered a miracle ? I mean how we discriminate if something is a miracle or not ? In buddhism fro example, everything is a miracle, it all came from God. So God does affect the world, and he must exist.

Please, I think you have been listening to me too much. 😂 I am a Buddhist, but I am not typical, Buddhism does not talk about God, I talk about God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Please, I think you have been listening to me too much. 😂 I am a Buddhist, but I am not typical, Buddhism does not talk about God, I talk about God.

.....dang, you didnt have to try and kill me, in that other forum, that got closed. To answer you, no i didnt know you were Buddhist, so that answers, the other things you said about the bigot thing.

Like I said in another thread, all religions, are connected.

Originally posted by Superman 24
.....dang, you didnt have to try and kill me, in that other forum, that got closed. To answer you, no i didnt know you were Buddhist, so that answers, the other things you said about the bigot thing.

Like I said in another thread, all religions, are connected.

I wasn't trying to hurt you, just make you think. I felt you were jumping on the band wagon and just mindlessly attacking. Sorry if I was wrong, but I didn't call you a bigot, just asked if you were one. I think that most people mean no harm, but get caught up in the moment. We all need someone to hold a mirror up to our face, now and again, even I can get lost in the moment. If you want to know how I believe you should just pm me and ask.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
You never did answer the question, by the way. Was twelve correct?

You are trying.......very good......

oh lord.......this is my last attempt with you. I no longer have the desire to discuss this with you as you do not seem to understand. I'm not saying your belief is wrong or mine is right. I'm simply stating that your belief is YOUR BELIEF, not fact.......not provable by any means. That does not mean you are wrong to believe it, only that you need to realize it is merely a belief and stop saying idiotic things like "the bible has been proven by science" and the like. The basic gist of this entire thread is this (sense you never got it). Why am I better than god? Because I am real.....I am provable.....you can test my existence in any number of manners. God is not provable.....god requires faith.....god requires belief without evidence which is why it is called "faith" in the first place. As for your last post......I would ignore it all together but too many things I see I need to point out to educate you a bit further since your teachers and parents are not doing a good job. By the way, you never answered the question that's been raised several times.......how old are you? I am actually curious about it now. My opinion of you would be far less harsh to learn you were actually twelve years old.....you would have a reason for your non-comprehension of some of the subjects we've discussed and for lack of knowledge about them. If you however were 20 years old.......I would say you were mentally retarded and need to wear a hockey helmet at all times to prevent head injury.

I'm rather tired of this......so I'll keep 'em all short, sweet and to the point:

NO I didn't say that they all were planning world domination, i watched on the news that Asian Muslims and a few others were going to make a super power country not for the purpose of taking over the world, it would be one who would come from that country which would take over the world.

- that's preposterous for a number of reasons. One....a country must be globally recognized and have a land mass to call their nation. The most obvious ofcourse is the lack of Muslims in Asia.......Islam's not exactly a big religion in the orient.

Now for the other thing:
Your existance is just as realistic to me as the existance of god is to you. We cannot see god, the messages he sends us are miracles and all the proof you could conjure up/all the science you use about you I will never see, you might have never seen a miracle by god or any proof but it doesn't dispell his existance, and aslong as someone has seen a miracle by god or any proof than he exists.

- for the FIFTH time. You do not need to know I exist for me to exist. I meet the criteria for scientific fact. I produce hundreds of physical, testable data that can be tested and studied......everything from bile, to cells, to excrement, to salive, to urine, to adrenaline, etc. etc. Because Chiba Boy does not know something does not make it non-existent.

Oh, and who originally told you that God didn't exist? your parents? Don't say that it was your choice because someone had to get it stuck into your head that a gods existance is impossible, and just because us Christians actually have control over what we beleive doesn't mean that you're right, it is actually more likely for us to be right because things stay the same to use, what we was told by our parents probably traces back to when the word of god first came to my country, meaning that those things did actually happen.
Plus, my parents told me about the non-existance of Santa and the Easter Bunny etc ages ago, so if god was fake the one whom created it would have told everyone before it became big.

- you speak as if one believes in god from birth. No. When a child is born, it does not know anything of the world around it. It must be taught. You were taught to believe in god. Nobody is taught "not to believe in god". You come into this world never knowing of a god......until your parents teach it to you. I believed in god for many years.....went to church.....went to bible study........I still believe in a god, just not the Christian god.....or any all knowing intelligence god is portrayed as being in other religions. I stopped believing in the Christian god when my knowledge of the world around grew to the point that I could clearly see that what I saw and lived in around me was in direct opposition to the bible/Torah (old testament).......the text the entire religion is based upon.

1.The moon doesn't have wind to blow anything off

um......yes. Our moon has no atmosphere. It's mass is not great enough to produce enough gravity to sustain one. Without an atmosphere to act as a filter protecting it......it is succeptable to solar winds, solar radiaton, etc.........just as meteorites and all other non-atmospheric rocks in space are.

2. Meteors also add dust to the moon, and over billions of years it could have carried life which ofcourse it didn't.

- meteorites don't add dust. The dust on the moon comes from various space debris. The small meteorites that hit the moon remain small rocks. The large meteorites that strike the moon slam into the surface.....spewing dust/debris into space as the gravity of the moon is not strong enough to attract it back to the surface. On the moon, what goes up stays up.

What you have stated has concentrated too much on geographical/scientific things and not on the simple stuff which my little brother could understand. Everyone knows that ground gets worn away, just like everything else on the planet, if the sea could ware away the ground why couldn't solid objects ware away the ground too?

- everything in our universe is based on science. You need to become familiar with it. One day your god may be proven to be the one true god who passed his commandments down to Moses......but it will be proven scientificly. Your god may come to earth and tell all of his existence........which ofcourse would be proven fact by scientificly measuring the physical area around him/it/whatever......if no physical body than atleast air density/temperature in the apparition. You seem to have this "science is evil" frame of mind. Science is the one thing that can turn your BELIEFS into fact..........it's not in direct opposition to the existence of your god, it's simply that no evidence has ever come to light to support your god's existence.

Ground does not get "worn away". The soil that is on our earth stays on our earth. You seem to believe that the earth is merely the masses of land above sea level. The Earth is a big rock.....it is covered 100% by land.......it just so happens that there is much water on top of this land.....covering 80% of it. When soil is washed away by water....it doesn't dissapear off the face of the earth.......it merely moves. Techtonic plate move.......causing the bodies of water to shift......pushing new land out from under the water.

Another thing is, how come the earths core hasn't cooled yet? Over Millions/Billions of years the earths core would have cooled by now.

no. The heat of the earth's core is a constantly moving liquid....constantly cycling....while insulated by the hundreds of miles of rock between it and the surface. Nobody knows how long it will continue. It could be 1 billion years from now, it could be tomorrow (theoretically). It's the same as the sun (in principle). The sun is a constantly cycling fusion generator that has been going for over a billion years now...............we know of other stars which have been going for 2 billion years now.

damn it........I forgot. You never replied to these either:

bahaahaaa. Have you read Revelations? Have you actually read this book you've been going on and on about? It appears as though you have not. You got the Anti-christ right..........that's about it.

no, philosophy is not childish. Neither is theology, the topic we are discussing here. Engaging in the topic does not make you childish. Everybody in this thread is engaging in the topic. Based on the fact that you are stringing together sentences that don't make sense (jibberish) and seem to have no concept of the very things you are bringing up in the conversation, I find you rather childish. You never did answer the question, by the way. Was twelve correct?

Ha........so now morality and knowledge have the power to change a person's DNA? So if I study really hard.......learn alot......my DNA will change? The very physical make up of my being will change if I choose a different set of morals to live by?

It's irrelevant the species of whale. Technically it doesn't say whale.....it says "fish" and a whale is a mammal, not a fish. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one as there are know fish large enough to swallow a man whole. Whale's do breathe oxygen, but not from the water.......they do not have gills, they have lungs........they surface to breath. Whales can swim for hours on end with one breath of air......man can breath for a few minutes. Being in the mouth (avoiding the digestive system) still means he would have suffocated in mere minutes. I was actually being favorable when saying he would have suffocated in the stomach as the whale may have swallowed air while swallowing Jonah.........allowing him to breath for much longer than the few minutes. What do you mean people didn't know about the inside of a whale in those days?.......according to you the words in the bible came from god. Here, I'll quote you. "Wrong, the Bible was written by Moses etc who was told things by God, Moses wrote Genesis by being told what happend by God."

1. You know sometimes i think non-christian read secondary/fake Bibles filled with propaganda, and then they come online and use this against the real thing.

2. "everything in our universe is based on science. You need to become familiar with it. One day your god may be proven to be the one true god who passed his commandments down to Moses......but it will be proven scientificly. Your god may come to earth and tell all of his existence........which ofcourse would be proven fact by scientificly measuring the physical area around him/it/whatever......if no physical body than atleast air density/temperature in the apparition. You seem to have this "science is evil" frame of mind. Science is the one thing that can turn your BELIEFS into fact..........it's not in direct opposition to the existence of your god, it's simply that no evidence has ever come to light to support your god's existence."
Do you know that you can't find out the colour of most dinosaurs from the Jurrasic times by using science? Do you know that your existance cannot be proven by science infront of my eyes unless you travelled a great distance? and the reason why you'd have to travel far cannot be proven either?

"Your god may come to earth and tell all of his existence"
I thought you have read the Bible? He has already came in a time which other things have also been proven to exist using the same such evidence as the Bible.

You think your existance can be proven to me scientifically? Over the net it is impossible for me to know your existance unless i see you face to face. If you met god face to face you'd believe in him too.
The thing is, you could say to me that you've lived underwater for twenty years, the bible could say that Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Just because you say so doesn't mean that what you say is true.

"everything in our universe is based on science"
Science is searching for reason, so there must be a meaning to the universe/there must be a reason it is there, meaning we was made for a reason, meaning something must have created a reason for us to have existed, meaning god made us for a reason, to live with him happily forever. May i remind you that god can change the rules of science to his liking.

"Science is the one thing that can turn your BELIEFS into fact..........it's not in direct opposition to the existence of your god, it's simply that no evidence has ever come to light to support your god's existence."
May i remind you that people have seen these miracles which is the main reason how we know he exists, because people who saw the miracles told us when they visited our countries.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
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May i remind you that people have seen these miracles which is the main reason how we know he exists, because people who saw the miracles told us when they visited our countries.

What about miracles done by shamans, and Other faiths...Do they still count since they aren't Believers of the Bible?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
oh lord.......this is my last attempt with you. I no longer have the desire to discuss this with you as you do not seem to understand. I'm not saying your belief is wrong or mine is right. I'm simply stating that your belief is YOUR BELIEF, not fact.......not provable by any means. That does not mean you are wrong to believe it, only that you need to realize it is merely a belief and stop saying idiotic things like "the bible has been proven by science" and the like. The basic gist of this entire thread is this (sense you never got it). Why am I better than god? Because I am real.....I am provable.....you can test my existence in any number of manners. God is not provable.....god requires faith.....god requires belief without evidence which is why it is called "faith" in the first place. As for your last post......I would ignore it all together but too many things I see I need to point out to educate you a bit further since your teachers and parents are not doing a good job. By the way, you never answered the question that's been raised several times.......how old are you? I am actually curious about it now. My opinion of you would be far less harsh to learn you were actually twelve years old.....you would have a reason for your non-comprehension of some of the subjects we've discussed and for lack of knowledge about them. If you however were 20 years old.......I would say you were mentally retarded and need to wear a hockey helmet at all times to prevent head injury.

I'm rather tired of this......so I'll keep 'em all short, sweet and to the point:

- that's preposterous for a number of reasons. One....a country must be globally recognized and have a land mass to call their nation. The most obvious ofcourse is the lack of Muslims in Asia.......Islam's not exactly a big religion in the orient.

- for the FIFTH time. You do not need to know I exist for me to exist. I meet the criteria for scientific fact. I produce hundreds of physical, testable data that can be tested and studied......everything from bile, to cells, to excrement, to salive, to urine, to adrenaline, etc. etc. Because Chiba Boy does not know something does not make it non-existent.

- you speak as if one believes in god from birth. No. When a child is born, it does not know anything of the world around it. It must be taught. You were taught to believe in god. Nobody is taught "not to believe in god". You come into this world never knowing of a god......until your parents teach it to you. I believed in god for many years.....went to church.....went to bible study........I still believe in a god, just not the Christian god.....or any all knowing intelligence god is portrayed as being in other religions. I stopped believing in the Christian god when my knowledge of the world around grew to the point that I could clearly see that what I saw and lived in around me was in direct opposition to the bible/Torah (old testament).......the text the entire religion is based upon.

um......yes. Our moon has no atmosphere. It's mass is not great enough to produce enough gravity to sustain one. Without an atmosphere to act as a filter protecting it......it is succeptable to solar winds, solar radiaton, etc.........just as meteorites and all other non-atmospheric rocks in space are.

- meteorites don't add dust. The dust on the moon comes from various space debris. The small meteorites that hit the moon remain small rocks. The large meteorites that strike the moon slam into the surface.....spewing dust/debris into space as the gravity of the moon is not strong enough to attract it back to the surface. On the moon, what goes up stays up.

- everything in our universe is based on science. You need to become familiar with it. One day your god may be proven to be the one true god who passed his commandments down to Moses......but it will be proven scientificly. Your god may come to earth and tell all of his existence........which ofcourse would be proven fact by scientificly measuring the physical area around him/it/whatever......if no physical body than atleast air density/temperature in the apparition. You seem to have this "science is evil" frame of mind. Science is the one thing that can turn your BELIEFS into fact..........it's not in direct opposition to the existence of your god, it's simply that no evidence has ever come to light to support your god's existence.

Ground does not get "worn away". The soil that is on our earth stays on our earth. You seem to believe that the earth is merely the masses of land above sea level. The Earth is a big rock.....it is covered 100% by land.......it just so happens that there is much water on top of this land.....covering 80% of it. When soil is washed away by water....it doesn't dissapear off the face of the earth.......it merely moves. Techtonic plate move.......causing the bodies of water to shift......pushing new land out from under the water.

no. The heat of the earth's core is a constantly moving liquid....constantly cycling....while insulated by the hundreds of miles of rock between it and the surface. Nobody knows how long it will continue. It could be 1 billion years from now, it could be tomorrow (theoretically). It's the same as the sun (in principle). The sun is a constantly cycling fusion generator that has been going for over a billion years now...............we know of other stars which have been going for 2 billion years now.

This is the stuff i learnt when I was very young, shoes ware away, so over 2'500'000 years of beasts walking on earth would have definatly worn the earth alot, may i remind you that rocks ware away too.

I am afraid to say that lava does actually cool, and 2,500,000 years would have practically gotten rid of it. Just like when volcanoes erupt the surface would cool, then all the areas after.

"meteorites don't add dust. The dust on the moon comes from various space debris. The small meteorites that hit the moon remain small rocks. The large meteorites that strike the moon slam into the surface.....spewing dust/debris into space as the gravity of the moon is not strong enough to attract it back to the surface. On the moon, what goes up stays up."
1. Yet the moon isn't covered in a cloud of dust, maybe the dust would have hit earth the odd 20 times, suffocating any life on it.

2. The dust would have been laying on the dust beneath, compacting it into the moon, so when the meteors hit they would have just pushed the dust/part of the moon aside unless it gets worn away . 😗

"for the FIFTH time. You do not need to know I exist for me to exist. I meet the criteria for scientific fact. I produce hundreds of physical, testable data that can be tested and studied......everything from bile, to cells, to excrement, to salive, to urine, to adrenaline, etc. etc. Because Chiba Boy does not know something does not make it non-existent."
You know, that is exactly the same as the existance of god, just because you didn't see his miracles doesn't defy his existance. God himself could produce more evidence of his existance than you can of yours because he knows this sorta stuff.

"oh lord.......this is my last attempt with you. I no longer have the desire to discuss this with you as you do not seem to understand. I'm not saying your belief is wrong or mine is right. I'm simply stating that your belief is YOUR BELIEF, not fact.......not provable by any means. That does not mean you are wrong to believe it, only that you need to realize it is merely a belief and stop saying idiotic things like "the bible has been proven by science" and the like. The basic gist of this entire thread is this (sense you never got it). Why am I better than god? Because I am real.....I am provable.....you can test my existence in any number of manners. God is not provable.....god requires faith.....god requires belief without evidence which is why it is called "faith" in the first place. As for your last post......I would ignore it all together but too many things I see I need to point out to educate you a bit further since your teachers and parents are not doing a good job. By the way, you never answered the question that's been raised several times.......how old are you?"
1. "Even though you say you exist you don't". That's what you're saying to god. The Bible and the people who saw him/his miracles are proof of that, your proof of your existance is science.
In words which might be simple to you science is just as easy to believe as god, because they are both ideas, no science can prove that, only you think that science is pure proof, to me science is only half the proof because god made science.

More simple:
JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND SCIENCE DOESN'T MEAN IT DOES. GOD CREATED SCIENCE AND RELIGIONS WERE MADE BEFORE SCIENCE WAS EVEN THOUGHT UP.

2. (this is an assistant to no 1) God said that people started off with a belief in god, which indeed it did.

3. I am 14 nearly 15.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What about miracles done by shamans, and Other faiths...Do they still count since they aren't Believers of the Bible?

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
The Bible talks of DARK MAGIC

So, Satan(dark magic) is doing good.. healing people?

Isn't that a contradiction?

Healing people so they believe in the wrong religion, i am sure i remember reading that somewhere in the Bible. i bet it doesn't even mention other gods in other religions.

Originally posted by debbiejo
So, Satan(dark magic) is doing good.. healing people?

Isn't that a contradiction?

Originally posted by sonnet
The Bible states claerly that satan can come as a Angel of Light and do wonders and miracles to mislead the people and even Christians. How do we know who is real, listen to what they teach. If their teaching is not Scriptural does not matter what miracles they do, it is not of God but through darkness.

Satan is a myth story, just as hell is.......we all have the ability to affect things around us including healings....

Chibi Boy.......I'm done posting to you. Feel free to leave all the replies you wish. From here on out I'm simply going to make posts about you, pointing out your lack of education, knowledge and in some cases good ol' common sense. You should seriously stick to video game or Pokemon forums........as you know very little to nothing about the topics you post about here. Here is a list of your greatest hits (well...misses) in this thread so far.

God is good, there is nothing you can say that i can't prove wrong which can change that.

And don't forget that everything in the Bible is what science has also proven right

In gods eyes he is scientific proof too

The Bible doesn't say that the moon is carried by a mammoth, it doesn't say god is that mammoth. The Bible says that god is a spirit

In the beginning God made humans like him, perfect, it's just sin that changed their DNA into having such dilemnas, and also The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil changed things.

Do you know what kind of Whale it means? And also, all underwater creatures breath oxygen, they separate the O2 from the Hydrogen, remember that people didn't know about the insides of a whale in them days, so he could have been just trapped in the mouth.

this one actually impressed me. you did seem to know how the basic gill structure of a fish works........too bad you thought all sea creatures had gills.

Scientists thought that the moon would be piled on with space dust, infact there was hardly any, showing that the moon could have only been around for about 8'000 years.

the ground should be getting LOWER everyday because of the large amount of animals walking on it, wearing it away for the odd 2,500,000 years!!!

In the Bible it explains that in the near future an evil guy named Anti-Christ would come, his origin would be from some new country which would be a superpower(If you haven't heard of Asian etc Muslims creating a superpower country greater than america) and first this anti-christ would take over a country which(after a short while of looking at maps) should be America, which is a free country for beliefs etc. This Anti-Christ would use America to take over the rest of the world. God would take those who beleive in him away to a new place and a new beginning.

i watched on the news that Asian Muslims and a few others were going to make a super power country not for the purpose of taking over the world, it would be one who would come from that country which would take over the world.

Oh, and who originally told you that God didn't exist? your parents? Don't say that it was your choice because someone had to get it stuck into your head

Everyone knows that ground gets worn away, just like everything else on the planet, if the sea could ware away the ground why couldn't solid objects ware away the ground too?

how come the earths core hasn't cooled yet? Over Millions/Billions of years the earths core would have cooled by now.

Do you know that your existance cannot be proven by science

He has already came in a time which other things have also been proven to exist using the same such evidence as the Bible.

This is the stuff i learnt when I was very young, shoes ware away, so over 2'500'000 years of beasts walking on earth would have definatly worn the earth alot, may i remind you that rocks ware away too.

I am afraid to say that lava does actually cool, and 2,500,000 years would have practically gotten rid of it. Just like when volcanoes erupt the surface would cool, then all the areas after.

yes, he knows something! Too bad he compares lava cooling in an air temperature of 90 degrees.......to the earth's core which is estimated to be several thousand degrees, also under un-imaginable pressure. Nevermind the fact he says the core is made of magma ....while the rest of the scientific world is still theorising what it's made of. Of course, he probably believes the sun is "made of magma" because it's hot.

You've got seven years of school left. Hopefully in that time you will learn a bit about the subjects you've been posting about. If so, come back and I'll talk to you then. As it stands, it's like carrying on a conversation with a four year old. I recommend you show this thread and your posts to your parents. Perhaps they will see where your education is lacking and take the innitiative to teach you themselves. I doubt any parent could walk around with pride knowing their offspring not only lacks the knowledge and education you've shown but is also sharing it with others........who in-turn are making fun of him (which is what I shall be doing from this point on). It is not my job to teach you. I could enter the field if I so wished............but then I'd have to take a big pay cut.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Chibi Boy.......I'm done posting to you. Feel free to leave all the replies you wish. From here on out I'm simply going to make posts about you, pointing out your lack of education, knowledge and in some cases good ol' common sense. You should seriously stick to video game or Pokemon forums........as you know very little to nothing about the topics you post about here. Here is a list of your greatest hits (well...misses) in this thread so far.

this one actually impressed me. you did seem to know how the basic gill structure of a fish works........too bad you thought all sea creatures had gills.

yes, he knows something! Too bad he compares lava cooling in an air temperature of 90 degrees.......to the earth's core which is estimated to be several thousand degrees, also under un-imaginable pressure. Nevermind the fact he says the core is made of magma ....while the rest of the scientific world is still theorising what it's made of. Of course, he probably believes the sun is "made of magma" because it's hot.

You've got seven years of school left. Hopefully in that time you will learn a bit about the subjects you've been posting about. If so, come back and I'll talk to you then. As it stands, it's like carrying on a conversation with a four year old. I recommend you show this thread and your posts to your parents. Perhaps they will see where your education is lacking and take the innitiative to teach you themselves. I doubt any parent could walk around with pride knowing their offspring not only lacks the knowledge and education you've shown but is also sharing it with others........who in-turn are making fun of him (which is what I shall be doing from this point on). It is not my job to teach you. I could enter the field if I so wished............but then I'd have to take a big pay cut.

And in the time i have been at school all this is what I have learnt, which is what makes me so sure.

"My Parents agree with all that i have posted here, it is common sense, they have read and understood, plus a few of the things on this are what my parents have told me about.
yes, he knows something! Too bad he compares lava cooling in an air temperature of 90 degrees.......to the earth's core which is estimated to be several thousand degrees, also under un-imaginable pressure. Nevermind the fact he says the core is made of magma ....while the rest of the scientific world is still theorising what it's made of. Of course, he probably believes the sun is "made of magma" because it's hot."
I dunno what else the stuff in the middle of a planet which is made of rock and dirt should be made of except for the stuff above it.

"Too bad he compares lava cooling in an air temperature of 90 degrees.......to the earth's core which is estimated to be several thousand degrees, also under un-imaginable pressure."
May i remind you that lava in air would take about half an hour to cool off, compare this to 2'500'000 years of this cooling.

The problem for you is, i'm talking in a language you don't understand and it's called common-sense. Everyone knows that things ware away, everyone knows that Lava/hot things cool down at quite a fast rate compared to 2'500'000 years, everyone knows that you could say you are a 10 year old who lives in the amazon forest but doesn't mean i could believe you (That's even what you bring up by saying god doesn't exist, technically not believing the one who told me god exists) and finally everyone knows that the meaning to the universe is reason (Even science states that science is all about finding the reason and why things happen. And you say the universe is based around science/reason)

I ain't the one missing common sense, it's you who seems to think that things don't ware away and that i have to believe everything you say.