Seriously, it's not an accusation. Whenever a Man tries to make a claim that women don't get into sex to quite the same degree, it is all too often seen as misogony. And maybe when some guys say it it is, but as an objective fact it is no more a lie than saying that men don't have breasts like women do.
It is a positive boon that women can put the breaks on. I am sure if everyone had the mindset of a man, civilisation would be screwed.
Ush> “No, I think the reverse- it is not the abuser, it is the abusee, that is the focus. The cultural perception is that an underage girl is innocent and an underage boy is a boy having fun.”
I tend to agree with you there. Society seems to view teenage girls sexuality as something “special”, “fragile”, something that must be “protected”, “hidden away”, “saved”…
And I think it is a mistake to think that women, on average, are NOT as sexualised as men. I don’t know why MEN find this so difficult to phantom, but you only need to realise that women, on average, can multitask mentally and you understand why we can both talk and “check out that guy’s ass” at the same time.
If men were not – on average – as constantly willing as society tells us they MUST be, I’m sure you’d see us girls becoming rather more… aggressive.
But society has taught me, that all I have to do is go out and flirt and I’ll get sex… So why should I worry?
Look at sexual worlds run by bondage-people, or fetishist are like… Sexualised is not an exclusive male thing. Nor do all women think about sex constantly…
(Maaan, I hate dichotomy!)
Well, good, because it is absolutely true.
I am only talking about averages, of course., There are plenty of women who are as sexual as the horniest man-perv, and plenty of men as chaste as the noblest nun, but when you look at the genders as a whole, Men are inflicted with a greater hunger than women, and women have a greater rationality for a settled relationship than a man. We hear plenty about how the bigiamous instinct of a man and the monogamous instinct of a woman is present on the genetic level and it is almost certainly to do with the biological imperative to preserve the species. Meanwhile, the simple culture of man versus woman over time adds into it.
But one way or another, it's all true. When it comes to sex, the average man is more driven and thoughtless than the average woman.
Originally posted by The Omega
Ush> “No, I think the reverse- it is not the abuser, it is the abusee, that is the focus. The cultural perception is that an underage girl is innocent and an underage boy is a boy having fun.”
I tend to agree with you there. Society seems to view teenage girls sexuality as something “special”, “fragile”, something that must be “protected”, “hidden away”, “saved”…And I think it is a mistake to think that women, on average, are NOT as sexualised as men. I don’t know why MEN find this so difficult to phantom, but you only need to realise that women, on average, can multitask mentally and you understand why we can both talk and “check out that guy’s ass” at the same time.
If men were not – on average – as constantly willing as society tells us they MUST be, I’m sure you’d see us girls becoming rather more… aggressive.
But society has taught me, that all I have to do is go out and flirt and I’ll get sex… So why should I worry?
Look at sexual worlds run by bondage-people, or fetishist are like… Sexualised is not an exclusive male thing. Nor do all women think about sex constantly…
(Maaan, I hate dichotomy!)
Sorry, but I truly believe it is modern and fashionable self-imposed ignorance to seriously believe what you say, and it is simply at odds with easily observed facts.
Bilb> I think men are not comfortable – on average – by realising that we women – on average – have the same sexual drive as they do. OR lack of the same, as the case may be for some men.
“If you men only knew…”
(Quote – Eyes Wide Shut)
USH> It is a positive boon that women can put the breaks on. I am sure if everyone had the mindset of a man, civilisation would be screwed.
What utter nonsense! It is by no means a boon to push the responsibility of breaks on the female gender – and claiming that society would be screwed without women putting on breaks!
Just try and turn it: “It is a positive boon that men can put the breaks on. I am sure if everyone had the mindset of a woman, civilisation would be screwed.”
You’re as responsible as the next guy or girl. Don’t push that into MY high-heeled shoes, thank-your-very-much.
“Sorry, but I truly believe it is modern and fashionable self-imposed ignorance to seriously believe what you say, and it is simply at odds with easily observed facts.”
No need to apologize. You see what you want to see. I think it’ is out-dated and self-imposed ignorance to seriously believe what YOU say, and it is simply at odds with what we girls talk about when we hang out with the girl-crew.
Hah! Girls always reflexively deny this self-evident fact, as if it is somehow an attack on them. As Stephen Fry says, "Why women wish to claim parity in the matter of this gross imperative beats me."
And I am sorry if you don't like the responsibility- but tough! That is how it is! The average woman IS more responsible in that area than the average man. If women didn't have that instinct, the family unit wouldn't exist. It is good for HUMANITY. Tough titty if you find it a pain. Like I say, just LOOK at the sexual world where ONLY men are involved. You'll see the point then.
You say 'old fashioned' as if this is some sort of Victorian view. It is simply the truth and not ludicrous self-delusion. No amount of ignorant attempts to try and deny this will change that truth. Like Fry, I have no idea why women want to try and claim equality in such a sordid area. Luckily they will never ever have it. Life itself has seen to that. The belief that women are will eventually become as transitory and ridiculous as the idea space was composed of ether; fashionable but, eventually, the most supremest bollocks.
It is not true- and any person would be an idiot for wanting it to be so. I don't care what your girl-crew talks about. It doesn't change a thing.
Hah! Guys always reflexively deny self-evident fact, as if it is somehow an attack on them.
Silly argument, isn't it?
What about the guys who don’t do this? Or the girls? And I am sorry, but I have no idea who this Stephen Fry is, but he says what he thinks… which doesn’t make his word law. 😉
It totally beats me why you want to degrade your own gender in this way, and still think that it’s just “tough” on the female gender. WHAT instinct? I know as many guys who where the family-instigating part, as I know girls, so sorry, but your out-dated way of thinking is simply that – outdated.
I know what sexual “worlds” you’re talking about – but you seem to forget what we talked about earlier. Society’s VIEW on male sexuality and female sexuality.
This dichotomy idea that men WANT sex (and hence, women don’t really) IS old-fashioned, and on par with the view that in since all the victims of human trafficing are women then ALL the ringleaders are men.
”It is simply the truth and not ludicrous self-delusion.”
No, it’s not simply the truth because you say so. Why is it so important to you that it is?
”Like Fry, I have no idea why women want to try and claim equality in such a sordid area.”
Sordid? There you go again, degrading your own gender, willingly and almost happily, like a child saying ”Well, I didn’t KNOW better, so it’s really YOUR fault mum/dad”…
”The belief that women are will eventually become as transitory and ridiculous as the idea space was composed of ether; fashionable but, eventually, the most supremest bollocks.”
Again you’re arousing my curiosity. You seem SET on clinging to this idea as if your life depended on it. Why is it so important to you that women are not as sexualised as men?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Hah! Girls always reflexively deny this self-evident fact, as if it is somehow an attack on them. As Stephen Fry says, "Why women wish to claim parity in the matter of this gross imperative beats me."And I am sorry if you don't like the responsibility- but tough! That is how it is! The average woman IS more responsible in that area than the average man. If women didn't have that instinct, the family unit wouldn't exist. It is good for HUMANITY. Tough titty if you find it a pain. Like I say, just LOOK at the sexual world where ONLY men are involved. You'll see the point then.
You say 'old fashioned' as if this is some sort of Victorian view. It is simply the truth and not ludicrous self-delusion. No amount of ignorant attempts to try and deny this will change that truth. Like Fry, I have no idea why women want to try and claim equality in such a sordid area. Luckily they will never ever have it. Life itself has seen to that. The belief that women are will eventually become as transitory and ridiculous as the idea space was composed of ether; fashionable but, eventually, the most supremest bollocks.
It is not true- and any person would be an idiot for wanting it to be so. I don't care what your girl-crew talks about. It doesn't change a thing.
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Bilb> I think men are not comfortable – on average – by realising that we women – on average – have the same sexual drive as they do. OR lack of the same, as the case may be for some men.
I wish most women were as slutty as most men, it would make it a lot easier to get laid. Most women want to go on some dates, get to know the man, talk, and laugh before having sex with a guy. Most men want to say a cheesy one liner and then hop in the sack with some chick who's name they don't even know and pound her into oblivion for the next 5 minutes, then fall asleep and wake up to find her gone. There may be some women who want this, but the percentage is far less then the amount of men who want this type of sexual relations.
Originally posted by BackFire
I wish most women were as slutty as most men, it would make it a lot easier to get laid. Most women want to go on some dates, get to know the man, talk, and laugh before having sex with a guy. Most men want to say a cheesy one liner and then hop in the sack with some chick who's name they don't even know and pound her into oblivion for the next 5 minutes, then fall asleep and wake up to find her gone.
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see when you say it like that i can get on board with ya 😛
BackFire> “I wish most women were as slutty as most men, it would make it a lot easier to get laid. Most women want to go on some dates, get to know the man, talk, and laugh before having sex with a guy. Most men want to say a cheesy one liner and then hop in the sack with some chick who's name they don't even know and pound her into oblivion for the next 5 minutes, then fall asleep and wake up to find her gone.”
Can you name me a derogatory term for a man who’s VERY sexually active? How many can you name for a woman who’s very sexually active?
Because it is the creeping in of a new Inquisitorial type of thinking- get with this prevailing wind, or be damned as 'old fashioned', or in some way trying to belittle women.
It is truly horrific. Any type of thinking that simply discards the facts in favour of what people WANT to believe is disturbing but in this case it is particularly insidious, a subtle form of mind-policing.
I don't care what belittles or compliments either gender, I am only interested in what is so, and this is so. I know you are not going to believe me, but I am afraif that, ultimately, that only reflects badly on you.
How CAN people be so willfully ignorant? How can they ignore all the evidence around them? The homosexual, man-only world I talk about is the ultimate kicker in the face- nothing remotely like it exists in female sexuality.
But outside that area...
Do people seriously believe that as many relationships become troubled because women want sex and the man doesn't, rather than the other way around? Hell NO, it is way more likely to be the man that is the problem.
Do people seriously believe that there are remotely as many women trawling the night spots for fast, anonymous sex as there are men? Hell NO, that whole area is staggeringly male-dominated.
Do people seriously believe that there is any other reason as to why nearly all sexual offenders are men other than the fact that men are far more vulnerable to letting themselves become twisted beyond reason by the sheer strengths of these ridiculously strong desires? That's not an excuse- it's simply a reason.
I have lost count of the amount of people I have huge conversations about sex with, of either gender. The end result that men want it more than girls is so frighteningly obvious I can only assume those who deny it walk around with their eyes and ears shut all the time.
Nor is it an attempt to say women do not like sex. If that were so, then, again, the species would not exist. They HAVE to be able to derive pleasure from it. But this is simply the acknowledgement that Men are more constantly driven by the desire for it than Women are.
As for my own personal relationships, I will let them stand on their own merits, and I think they stand rather well. But as for the behaviour of the gender as a whole...
... then life is life. I didn't make it that way, but that way it is. Denying that is simply wrong.
Originally posted by UshgarakDo people seriously believe that as many relationships become troubles because women want sex and the man doesn't, rather than the other way around? Hell NO, it is way more likely to be the man that is the problem.
Do people seriously believe that there are remotely as many women trawling the night spots for fast, anonymous sex as there are men? hell NO, that whole area is staggeringly male-dominated.
Do people seriously believe that there is any other reason as to why nearly all sexual offenders are men other than the fact that men are far more vulnerable to letting themselves become twisted beyond reason by the sheer strengths of these ridiculously strong desires? That's not an excuse- it's simply a reason.
I have lost count of the amount of people I have huge conversations about sex with, of either gender. The end result that men want it more than girls is so frighteningly obvious I can inly assume those who deny it walk around with the eyes and ears shut all the time.
Nor is it an attempt to say women do not like sex. If that were so, then, again, the species would not exist. They HAVE to be able to derive pleasure from it. But this is simply the acknowledgement that Men are more constantly driven by the desire for it than Women are.
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at least THAT part is true IMO
And the obvious indications in society suffuse us.
Take porn. The continuous outcry is that the deviant sexual desires of men are exploiting women. Note, of course, that the outcry from the gay community about gay porn is almost non-existant. Why? Because they are Men, and another self-evident fact is that men, as a result of their increased sexual desire, are WAY more into porn than girls.
Which is, again, not to say that girls cannot like porn. In fact, I LIKE a girl who likes porn. But I would be lying though my teeth if I said it was really easy to find one. Maybe not really hard, but not easy, and often an effort, and often I feel that if it wasn't for me asking they wouldn't go that way themselves.
But men? It's finding the men who DON'T look for porn that is the trick there.
And around here... plenty of girls post erotic signatures. But it has almost exclusively only been guys we have had to ban for posting hardcore porn.
Continuously men are screamed at, from the shelves of the woman's magzines, that they want too much sex. BF is absolutely right in what he posts above- the man looking for the quick lay, and he doesn't give a flying toss about the relationship. Yup, women like that exist too. But it is WAYYYYYYYYY more common in a man. And this leads back to the homosexual thing- because in the homosexual underworld, a world run entirely by men with no female input, that is the DEFAULT. Quick, anonymous sex with another man. Often you don't even have to see his damn face- better that way, often enough. Can anyone ever see any sexual world with women involved in becoming remotely like that with ANY reasonable degree of regularity or scale?
The obvious answer is no. And the obvious conclusion leads us back to the greater male desire for sex- a fact for which the evidence is all around us.
Women who are not like this at all- of course, they exist everywhere. Take Syren, a perfectly respectable poster whose experiences dwarf mine and whose desires- perfectly legitimate- rival anyone you can name. But again, can I pretend this is the norm? Can I pretend that this is as likely in women as in men? No, not for one moment I cannot. I see 100 men like Syren for each girl like her. And for each girl like Syren, there is a man who is an irredeemable twisted pervert- an area which is so, SO much rarer with women.
Can we really see 35% of women responding in an anonymous survey that they would commit rape if they could get away with it?
And so can this idea of female sexual desires being as strong as men's ever now really survive? No- it needs to be shot dead at once. At the very very most, if it is strong, it is strong in a TOTALLY different way, which still leads us to a position where a man's overt and direct sexuality is the stronger.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And the obvious indications in society suffuse us.Take porn. The continuous outcry is that the deviant sexual desires of men are exploiting women. Note, of course, that the outcry from the gay community about gay porn is almost non-existant. Why? Because they are Men, and another self-evident fact is that men, as a result of their increased sexual desire, are WAY more into porn than girls.
That is a cold solid hard FACT! From my personal experience of going to the XXX shows (yes I love porn and is the greatest thing in this world) there are way WAY too many guys in the peek booths and the magazines stands staring at naked chicks doing the nasty with men or other women. And who is buying this stuff? That's right! Guys like me. Rarely (and I do mean Rarely) do I see a female inside those places. And the ones inside are either accompany by a boyfriend or husband. Doing what? I dunno is none of my business. But they're never alone. Not even hookers go inside these places. Is obvious that men sexual desire is very aggresive. And that females is very defensive. And that's the way things are and most likely they will be like that till the end of time. That's all I'm going to say for now.
[Edit Note] And let's not forget all the strip clubs in all the cities of the world. Who are the most common customers or visitors? Take a wild guess?
Spoiler:
Males
Originally posted by WindDancer
That is a cold solid hard FACT! From my personal experience of going to the XXX shows (yes I love porn and is the greatest thing in this world) there are way WAY too many guys in the peek booths and the magazines stands staring at naked chicks doing the nasty with men or other women. And who is buying this stuff? That's right! Guys like me. Rarely (and I do mean Rarely) do I see a female inside those places. And the ones inside are either accompany by a boyfriend or husband. Doing what? I dunno is none of my business. But they're never alone. Not even hookers go inside these places. Is obvious that men sexual desire is very aggresive. And that females is very defensive. And that's the way things are and most likely they will be like that till the end of time. That's all I'm going to say for now.[Edit Note] And let's not forget all the strip clubs in all the cities of the world. Who are the most common customers or visitors? Take a wild guess?
Spoiler:
Males
Yes this is a fact, but....is it natural or is it the way the genders get raised....