Sex Every where/NoFreeWill/We all going to hell

Lotsa different topics...fun thread to read.

1. Sex: Almost nowhere in the animal kingdom is anyone manogimous (only one sexual partner). It isn't natural. Believing in love and sharing it with one special person is wonderful, but to expect that every married couple will change, grow, learn, etc. at the same rate and in the same direction is a bit preposterous. The litany of unhappy marriages is a testament to this. So while it probably is still something that should only be shared by those "in love" since it makes it more profound as something more than just bodily pleasure, marriage is in and of itself a somewhat flawed way of trying to impose manogimy (sic) upon some who might be better off without it. For some it may work...and good for them...but divorce or having more than one partner in a lifetime I see as being somewhat healthy if the situation calls for it. Please note, I don't endorse casual sex for simple bodily gratification...I feel it cheapens it. But the whole "One marriage, one person." method I think is at another flawed extreme (for some at least). Just my 2c.

2. Jesus as he's been changed: Yes, the Gnostic Gospels (notably Thomas) speak of a different Jesus, and many documents were destroyed and/or changed at some point. Think of how much a story changes if you tell it a year after it happened. The Gospels (the ones used in the Bible) were all written about 40 years after Jesus' death. Considering the wildly different (and provable) influences upon Christianity throughout history as well as how much the actual events have been altered somewhat, the overriding truths that the scriptures speak of might have remained true, but the exactities of the Bible and the "facts" upon which much of Christianity is based are suspect at best.

-DM

more info please.

Originally posted by Gotham Girl
xmark is the anti christ

Originally posted by cking
he is trying to put us in a trap, so we will say something wrong.

I missed this before. Is this because I posed some more complex scenarios that (shock! horror!) suggested abortion and sex before marriage are not always bad? Because I suggested that the world is complicated and that blanket rules can be inapplicable to many situations? Or because I asked you whether your opinions are all congruous with those of The Bible and how one determines the opinion of God?

Gotham Girl thank you for changing you sig. pic....Now it's no longer in my face when you'e talking about sex being everywhere..
😄 😄

it is true, it is eveywhere at the point you will see it a work in front of you.

Originally posted by cking
it is true, it is eveywhere at the point you will see it a work in front of you.

I just ignore, like I do many things.

Originally posted by cking
more info please.

Hmmm...since this was right after my last post I assume you mean me. And while I have little hope that anything I say will mean much to you, I'll indulge you...

2. Jesus as he's been changed: Yes, the Gnostic Gospels (notably Thomas) speak of a different Jesus, and many documents were destroyed and/or changed at some point. Think of how much a story changes if you tell it a year after it happened. The Gospels (the ones used in the Bible) were all written about 40 years after Jesus' death. Considering the wildly different (and provable) influences upon Christianity throughout history as well as how much the actual events have been altered somewhat, the overriding truths that the scriptures speak of might have remained true, but the exactities of the Bible and the "facts" upon which much of Christianity is based are suspect at best

The Gnostics are "more info" as are the influences upon Christianity by Judaism, certain Pagan traditions (like that of hell), not only the exclusion of many texts but the decision of making Jesus "God" nearly 300 years after he walked the earth, the influence of ancient Greek and Roman thinking upon Christianity (the 'good shepherd' image and that of a leader/savior dying on a cross were already present in the form of followers who had deified their early teachers and myths like Plato and Orpheus).

I can't claim to be an expert on much of this, but I don't have to be to know that it exists. Many of Jesus' teachings I have no problem with...some I do, however, and to be honest I have no way of knowing if that's what he really taught because it's been altered so much in centuries since (and I didn't even talk about wild changes between multiple translations). So I have no problem with those who follow the Bible, but to think it's a word-for-word truth of everything you need to know and all that is out there about Christianity is fooling oneself.

-DM

Originally posted by Gotham Girl
This is dumb. Every where you look you see sex, T.v, radio(hear it) out side, come onI saw a comercial, and thought it was for to by a porn magazine, but it turned out to be a skittles comercial. The damn Pants and shoes comercials, are the most misleading. Outside you see topless men walking around, then you see woman with barley anything on, The skirt looks like a rag, and yes this is 14 year olds, in the WINTER. How do we have free will, when we all do the samething, because its in our nature. Ohe well. We all are going to burn in hell, so you guys better get used to the heat.

Burn in Hell? There is no such place. If there is Hell, you're in it right now.

the whole world is hell itself.

Originally posted by cking
the whole world is hell itself.

Kinda morbid, dontcha' think?? I don't even think the most extreme Christian groups think that. Perhaps they believe that the world is a means by which we can acheive a greater life (heaven) but it isn't inherently evil (the world, that is).

-DM

most of the world is evil, but in the future they will be given power to do what they want to anyone else that is a rebel. They don't have any power to do so, but they will.

Originally posted by cking
most of the world is evil, but in the future they will be given power to do what they want to anyone else that is a rebel. They don't have any power to do so, but they will.

The world is not evil (not completely), most of it is neutral.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The world is not evil (not completely), most of it is neutral.

Thats true, most people are not evil, but they don´t take a initiative let themselves be guided.

very true, most are neutral, but one of these days they will side with evil for no reason. Because they have nothing else to do.

Originally posted by cking
very true, most are neutral, but one of these days they will side with evil for no reason. Because they have nothing else to do.

🤨 How do you come to that conclusion?

because most people never understand what they are doing and so they do it and don't know if it is wrong or not, but by the time do they know it is wrong, it will be too late. people will never understand that the things they love the most is wrong in God's eyes and so they have to choice to side with evil, because they don't want to give up the many pleasures they have enjoyed, which is wrong. so they don't want any one to tell them that what they are doing is wrong, so they are against the person or persons and will side with the ones who agree with them. people will ignore their infidelities, but it will come back on them and if they are pulled from darkness, then these people who do anything to keep that from happening, so they side with evil, because they never want good to find out what they are doing and they don't want to be corrected.

Sorry but that's pretty specious reasoning.

I'm assuming the people you're referring to are those who don't believe in the Christian god, or don't believe in The Bible. (NB these two groups are not necessarily the same)

It falls apart from line one where you make the assumption that these individuals (myself included) have no intrinsic sense of morality, and the assumption that simply because in your opinion and under your personal sense of morality something is wrong/bad/evil that it definitely is wrong/bad/evil.

not my personal sense but god, some people are so foolish they don't know what is going to happen to them in the future. they can only see what is in front of them but not behind them. every heard of the mark of the beast? when live in a world that wants pain to be stopped and wars to cease, I tell you the truth George bush and many leaders of the world will not solve the worlds problems, but one man will do and he will deceive many into thinking he is righteous. He will be the Antichrist leader and he will have all the power that many earthly kings would only drool about. he will be a genius in every category, but still very corrupt. he will form a one world religion, because he will see differences in all religions and he will put them all together so they wouldn't have any problems anymore, and that they will have the same beliefs and that no differences will exist. He will TRY to find the world's problems and he will blame both Jews and Christians for the worlds problems and since people do blame us for no reason. He will order a persecution of these people because he says they will be a threat to his "brotherhood of man." He will use the media against them. so a worldwide persecution will happen only to the Jews and Christians,and he will FORCE people who aren't Christians to take the mark or else die with the enemy. He would do this in his lies. until one day Jesus will come and slay him and the ones who follow his cruel rules. so the Christians and Jews are redeemed at the end, but the ones with the mark will forever be destroyed.

Originally posted by cking
not my personal sense but god, some people are so foolish they don't know what is going to happen to them in the future. they can only see what is in front of them but not behind them. every heard of the mark of the beast? when live in a world that wants pain to be stopped and wars to cease, I tell you the truth George bush and many leaders of the world will not solve the worlds problems, but one man will do and he will deceive many into thinking he is righteous. He will be the Antichrist leader and he will have all the power that many earthly kings would only drool about. he will be a genius in every category, but still very corrupt. he will form a one world religion, because he will see differences in all religions and he will put them all together so they wouldn't have any problems anymore, and that they will have the same beliefs and that no differences will exist. He will TRY to find the world's problems and he will blame both Jews and Christians for the worlds problems and since people do blame us for no reason. He will order a persecution of these people because he says they will be a threat to his "brotherhood of man." He will use the media against them. so a worldwide persecution will happen only to the Jews and Christians,and he will FORCE people who aren't Christians to take the mark or else die with the enemy. He would do this in his lies. until one day Jesus will come and slay him and the ones who follow his cruel rules. so the Christians and Jews are redeemed at the end, but the ones with the mark will forever be destroyed.

Do you know what it is like to grow up hearing this garbage every day. I know it all to well. A child who is told this, has no reason to achieve. childhood is destroyed by the constant knowing that the world is going to destroy it's self. Sorry, I've never been selfish enough to not care about others. This idea started in the 13th century and has been changing and modifying it's self ever sense.