Originally posted by cking
if all men choose to believe then the world would not be as violence as it is, then they would do what is right instead of wrong. since they don't then sin is still lurking and causing pain and death aslong as the sin remains.
Well, if all men chose to believe any one thing, then the world would be less. violent. I won't start advocating my personal/cultural beliefs about God and religion, but I will say that I think that religion is a tool made to unify all people, even with all the writings in the world, we still wonder such things as who is 'God.' And is there even such an entity? If we all believed in any one thing, right or wrong, we'd be happy.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I don't go by a set religion, I have a mindset and a way of life that I live by and believe in. I don't feel that a god should be necessary, as we have our fellow man to believe in. This is why I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, I go by something like what Debbie is saying, different, but similar.
And I'm wondering, Debbie, are you christian? It seems like it, but that idea you posed doesn't seem to follow God's word...
And Feceman, If you're not gonna try to teach me of God's word- the Bible's teachings, then don't get mad because I don't agree with you. Mabe you could tell me how I'm trolling? (thanks for standing up for me, Debbie, King)
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
This is why I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, I go by something like what Debbie is saying, different, but similar.
And I'm wondering, Debbie, are you christian? It seems like it, but that idea you posed doesn't seem to follow God's word...
I used to be a Christian at one time....But I see God as being bigger than any one religion or belief other wise whats the purpose of creating people?...so they can screw up and be thrown in an imaginary place...BTW...Hell the way it is taught is MANS creation...
Originally posted by debbiejo
I used to be a Christian at one time....But I see God as being bigger than any one religion or belief other wise whats the purpose of creating people?...so they can screw up and be thrown in an imaginary place...BTW...Hell the way it is taught is MANS creation...
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Yea, hell and heaven... heck! even earth are inventions. Which is why we can believe in different things.
And I don't think that we are created. Cuz why would we be? I think... actually, it's long and complicated... if you want to know, ask, but I don't want to waste my time...
I believe it's a combination of both gods initiation including evolution. Both combined to some extent....
What do you think?
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ryno, go read through this thread a few times and try to undrestand my points. I do know the ten commandements.
What two gods, Deb?? And how do they affect us? What ole do they play in Life?
I believe that there's one higher nothing (very big, very complex. you might not understand it, I might explain it a little later, but just try to follow me lol), and this nothing sends itself out into the universe- in two entities: 'mind' and 'body.' Whenever a mind and a body encounter each other, a person is created (born). Death is when the two entities have finished with each other. Problem is, weaker minds-body sets need a cause to depart (die), so they have to wait for something to kill the being. Some of the stronger- usually older- pairs can cause their own departure. Such things as cancer- unexplainable ailments that kill a lot, smoking also- are how they depart. Once the two things separate, they fly around at high speeds till a mind and body clash and merge.
Both entities have a single goal: they want to become perfect. 'Life' is how they learn, and become. The body wants to become perfect- no uge and muscular, but finely tuned, able to sense everything around it, able to know what the weather will be, to feel the tree's and animal's and everything else's feelings. The mind wants to know and understand all. The mind comes into life with the knowledge (improtant knowledge, not just how to play chess or swim lol) it obtained before- but only with the capability to learn it, the info is in it's 'mind (obviously the thinking mind that we have)', but must be... remember, I guess is the best term...
Once the mind and body become perfect, they rejoin the nothing. Every living thing is made up of midn and body.
Any questions?? lol
Originally posted by debbiejo
Oh...I didn't mean two gods....hahaha....I mean the two different views...one that might be considered creation and one that might be considered evolution....to me I think they can both be merged to some extent.....maybe a creation in the evolution process....??..a ball set rolling....
What about the idea of not beginning only continual creation.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What about the idea of not beginning only continual creation.
Well that would be mind boggling...I don't know if I can imagine a "No beginning"...but that would take us outside of space and time....going into theory and exploration......sounds like a good trip.....tell me about it.
Maybe like a vibrating continuous ring that always is vibrating in wider and wider dimensions, one inside the other and so on...kinda like breaking off the the initial one, or the one before it...each different and at a different level of evolution and vibration... ever expanding....but what would cause the first vibration to start it all....Like many rings within many rings....
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well that would be mind boggling...I don't know if I can imagine a "No beginning"...but that would take us outside of space and time....going into theory and exploration......sounds like a good trip.....tell me about it.Maybe like a vibrating continuous ring that always is vibrating in wider and wider dimensions, one inside the other and so on...kinda like breaking off the the initial one, or the one before it...each different and at a different level of evolution and vibration... ever expanding....but what would cause the first vibration to start it all....Like many rings within many rings....
It's very hard to imagine, but time is space and space is not limited by the dimension that it occupies, but is limited by other dimensions.
Re: Shouldn't Hell be better then Heaven?
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Think about it logically. Who is gonna be in Heaven? Noone. You and all your friends, and all your favourite musicians, actors, etc... will be in Hell. It's all because of the way 'God' set up his system. It's almost impossible to never sin in your life.
And, if I'm right, then logically, Hell couldn't b that bad. In fact, it should be awsome! I mean, the devil is the opposite o god, right? And he resides over Hell. So why the hell (excuse the pun) should he be told by god what to do with us when we go there??? In fact, he'd probably have an eternal party. The bible is a book written 'by the men of God' right? Whicjh means that they- God'smen, hence, God- are the ones/one who is telling everyone what's going on in hell.
Now, if the Devil's work is sin- the things we're going to hell for... then why would he be so different later? He won't possibly be like 'yo! why did you listen to me? *whip whip*(Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Satanist, but I don't follow the same god as anyone (unless there are some other Rastas around...))
When Jesus died on the cross It gave us a way into heaven. And Hell is Far worse than Heaven. In hell there is "Moaning and Gnashing of teeth" not an eternal party. But Heaven I beleave a land of is endless adventure, not siting in a cloud strumming a harp.