I think this is a good fight, because they are both similar characters, focusing on combat.
Off hand, I dont really know. Im assuming we are talking about Azreal as Azreal, with the sword and what not, system fully activated. Yet Cap is a tenacious close combat fighter, and while I think based on raw skill alone, azreal would win, I think Cap's experience, equipment, make up for that. Also, Cap seems to be able to find a way to win, he wont give up.
Right now, Im gonna call it narrowly narrowly in Caps favor. I mean the most narrow of narrows. Maybe after I hear what people have to say I might switch over to one side or the other.
What is your basis?
Strength?
Azrael is bio-engineered to be stronger than a human being.
Speed?
Same as above.
Skill?
The system allows him access to an entire lineage of assassins, as shown against Batman, mastering all the martials arts in the world isn't that effective when your opponent can move faster, hit harder, take more, and is a master of their own unique fighting style.
Equipment?
Azrael's armor is insulated, bullet proof, heavily padded, does little to restrict movement, fire proof, has two flaming wristblades that he can shoot at an enemy.
Stamina?
Azrael got his ass beat by a venom pumped thug, then bane, then a shipwreck, then went two days without food, fought the addiction of a more powerful venom than the one that took Batman three bed-ridden days of Alfred intensive care to overcome, and then proceeded to fight, and beat, Bane.
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Originally posted by Khellendros
I'm gonna say Cap by a small margin. And yes, I did read your post listing his attributes. Except for the Bane thing, nothing that impresses me when compared to Cap.
Please, why so?
Batman stated that Cap would barely beat him in MvD, and seeing as how Azrael has shown to be just a notch above Bats, it would plausibly make him Cap's equal or superior.
Captain America is also bio engineered with the Super Serum formula.
Batman stating that Cap America would beat him doesnt really factor in as a guage of power, since I could say Lance Armstrong would just barely beat me in a bike race, yet we wont know until it happens.
The problem with Batman is that while he suppose to know alot of martial arts, he cannot fight to his own potential. Hes only human. He isnt god of close combat, as been shown before.
Azreal I beleive would be on par strength and speed wise with Captain America. His shield cancels out the offenseive edge that Azreals weapons give him. And I think using the shield Cap can hurt Az through his armor. So they are on equal footing as far as equipment goes, although Azreal does pretty pimping in his armor. I still think while Az has the raw talent over Cap, Cap can use his brains to even the playing field and get a win.
I'd just like to point out that there is no way Batman could be a 'master of all martial arts'. There are too many, especially when you consider all the other things he would have had to learn in addition to combat ability. I don't care how disciplined or determined he is, you'd have to be inhuman to master every martial art in the world. Besides, how could he possibly keep up his practise of all of them?
Back on-topic, it would be a very tough fight, but I'll say Cap. He is also bio-engineered beyond the human norm and he's a better tactitian. He'll soon realise that he can't beat Azreal with skill or power, so he'll out-think him.
Captain America is also bio engineered with the Super Serum formula.
Back on-topic, it would be a very tough fight, but I'll say Cap. He is also bio-engineered beyond the human norm and he's a better tactitian. He'll soon realise that he can't beat Azreal with skill or power, so he'll out-think him.
'Beyond the human norm' doesn't mean he's super-strong. Maybe that technically means he possesses super strength compared to everyone else, as supposedly, no one that doesn't possess enhanced strength is stronger than Cap, but Captain America is still very much human. He's the physical peak of human capability, which means the Super-Soldier Serum remolded his body to have the perfect physique, the perfect physical frame, the perfect genetic make-up, the perfect bodily systems, etc. He's the perfect human specimen, but he's still only human. As far as I'm aware, Azrael is superhumanly enhanced.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
'Beyond the human norm' doesn't mean he's super-strong. Maybe that technically means he possesses super strength compared to everyone else, as supposedly, no one that doesn't possess enhanced strength is stronger than Cap, but Captain America is still very much human. He's the physical peak of human capability, which means the Super-Soldier Serum remolded his body to have the perfect physique, the perfect physical frame, the perfect genetic make-up, the perfect bodily systems, etc. He's the perfect human specimen, but he's still only human. As far as I'm aware, Azrael is superhumanly enhanced.
Good point, but I'd say he's at least strong enough to stand up to Azrael (like the Thing is strong enough to stand up to the Hulk).
The one fight I remember reading between Batman and Azrael was when Batman came back after a hiatus because Azrael had basically gone batsh*t. If I remember correctly, his biggest issue was that he couldn't get through the armor, while his opponents weapons would eventually do him in. Well, Cap's shield eliminates the latter problem, and likely help him witht he former as well. Cap is just as fast and agile as Batman, at least as good a fighter if not better, and is incredibly skilled with his shield. I'm not saying Azrael CAN'T beat Cap, but I am saying Cap takes it more times out of ten.