Originally posted by Bardock42
BULLSHIT....there has NOT always been a word of God....it has been there for some thousand years but not always.....
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
"What about the people that lived before the word got out...where are they?..." There has always been a word of god, before Jesus was born there was others who told of god, it just wasn't written in a book.
This is not true...a very small geographical location had the stories...India, China, the Americas, Europe, Australia, South Africa, Russia....etc...didn't have the stories.....They believed in other gods or One god...but never heard of Jesus...And even before Jesus, the OT was only in the areas of Palestine and surrounding areas...So, they didn't hear it either...
Where are they now? Where are all these billions of people who never heard?
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Wait, I'll correct myself, ALL went to hell untill Jesus died for the people. The world was evil and Jesus death prevented them and more from going to hell. After that when not many knew God did as I said before.
So everyone before Jesus went to hell and are there now for not ever hearing?
Originally posted by debbiejoThat's why the Bible said: "Anyone who sinned under the law will be judged by the law... and those who sinned apart from the law they will be judged apart from the law."
Then if there was no printed word for people to follow...how would god judge them if they never heard?...wouldn't be fair would it...If the only way to heaven is through Jesus....But if no printed word....no knowledge of Jesus....what then?
But those who reached by that law, yet still ignored the law and continued sinning... they will still be judged by that law.
Originally posted by debbiejoThe words of God started from the Creation as narrated in the Bible. If you don't agree with that, then we have nothing to talk about.
Some countries don't have Bibles today....what does that say....If the only way to heaven is through Jesus....then that would leave only a small amount of people there while the rest of the billions of people are eternally burning....
What about the people that lived before the word got out...where are they?...
What do you think as you described above that gods plan would be...
As I said, "Everyone who sinned under the law will be judged by the law."
People who lived before Jesus will be judged by the law that existed before Jesus. That's from the old covenants of God to His chosen people.
The covenant with Jesus is what the Bible called the "everlasting covenant"... that's where the people of Christian era will be judged.
God's people of Old and of New had an obligation to spread the words of God to the whole world and those who will live by it will have an eternal life. ... And those who have ignored the words of God will be condemned.
But those who were not reached by the same words of God, therefore those who lived apart from the law.... they will be judged apart from the law that God has given to His people.
Well, everyone has sinned, yes I am aware of that. But the people whom God had chosen since the time of Adam who died faithful to God's commandments and covenant with them shall receive the promise on Judgment Day... not right after their death. The same with the sinners who died before the time of Jesus will receive their punishment at the same Day... not right after their death.
But at the time of Jesus, God made an everlasting covenant with God's followers in Christ's time. This is a new covenant. New priesthood. New law. ... which also stipulate a new way of salvation... and this is through Christ.
But there was a universal law regarding judgment, which states that "one will not be punished because of other's sins"... This goes the same with Christ.
Christ cannot die for the sins of others. He will violate that universal law if He does so. That's why He has to build a church. and He considered this Church as His body. and anyone who will become a part of His body will be saved in Judgment Day.
Christ, being the Head, and the Church, His body - becomes a "one new man" as exposed in the letter of Paul to the Ephesians. This "one new man" really a ONE MAN in the sight of God... so Christ has to die, not for the sins of the whole world but for the sins of His body... ONLY His body.
But being a part of Christ's body, one should remain faithful and obedient to God's everlasting covenant.
What Universal law are you talking about...I don't understand that you say "Christ can't die for the sins of others, it would go against this universal law." ...So, you have to become part of a certain body of His?...The Protestant one? What about the other believers...Or is it a certain type of church or belief? .And are you saying that these people are now sleeping or unconscious now in their graves, and not anywhere yet?..Not until Judgement Day? Do you believe in predestination of some sort?
I prefer to use universal law when that certain law is used or applied for all covenants of God in different times... like "don't kill anyone"... "don't eat blood"... worship God alone"... etc.
Law like "the father will not be punished because of his child's sin" (or vise versa). This is the same with Christ. Christ cannot die for the sins of any people but only the sins of His followers... or part of His body.
This body is the Christ's Church which He built in the first century. I'm not saying it's the Protestant. It is Christ's Church. The description of this Church is described in the Bible. That's the one I am referring about. And yes, in order to be saved, one should be part of this body or Church. What about the other believers? This was the same with God's first nation - the Israel. It was stated in the Old Covenant that "No other land in the world has the true God - only Israel".
The Bible says that when a person dies, his body perishes to the ground or grave, his soul clings to the dust, and his spirit goes back to the One who gave it - God. "The dead will remain in their grave till the heavens are no more." They will never rise until the Day of Judgment has come.
Predestination like what? Purgatory? If only the Bible tells, then I would.
Let's just say that if god didn't do that you would live in a land of evil where everyone would take drugs(and i mean EVERYONE) the police wouldn't exist, you'd wish that superheroes existed 😂 , Everything in the shop would be worth over $1000 etc etc.
Those people were evil and if it was to save your family I beleive you would get rid of the evil members too(the ones which kill other members of the family)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Explain why incest is immoral.........
He is making a positive claim, e.g. incest is moral. Therefore, the burden of proof is on him to substantiate that claim.
I am making a negative claim, e.g. incest is immoral, meaning "not moral." Since a negation cannot be proven, I do not have to provide evidence for my claim.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He is making a positive claim, e.g. incest is moral. Therefore, the burden of proof is on him to substantiate that claim.I am making a negative claim, e.g. incest is immoral, meaning "not moral." Since a negation cannot be proven, I do not have to provide evidence for my claim.
No, this is different I asked you to explain...I didn't demand a proof of your claim I juist asked you how you think that incest is immoral.....
By the same standard you would havbe to prove why homosexuality is moral while someoen can just say that its not.....this is wrong because either side has to back up their statemeants neither is better both are basically the same....
So could you say why you believe incest is immoral?