Christianity

This is a discution about the faith I follow, and what I believe in.

I'm going to post a story from the bible, I'll do this through out the forum for a while.

This one is the Christmas story.

While Mary and Joseph were engaged, but before they were married, Mary was found to be pregnant. When Joseph discovered this he started considering to break up with her quietly, so as not to open her up to public disgrace. As he considered this an angel came to him and said that Mary was pregnant with God's child, not another man's. The angel also said to marry mary and name the child Jesus.

All of this took place to fulfil a prophecy that stated:

"The Virgin will give birth to a son, and he will BE CALLED
Immanuel -- Which means God with us."

Now the rest is obvious, and well known, but just incase you don't here is a simple overview of it.

There was a Roman cencus taken so that every one had to go back to the place that they were born. Mary & Joseph went to bethleham (The city of david.) There Jesus was born in a manger, and was visited by the shepards.

Ok...and in what way can we discuss now?.....

What do you mean?

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
What do you mean?

Like what is this thread aboot...just you posting some part of the Bible?.....That's really not worth it.....

I just want people to understand what I live for. The God I serve. I mean you don't have to be here if you don't like it.

Oh, and this isn't me posting posts from the bible, It is a discussion of what christians believe.

This doesn' t open up much possibilities to discussion.

Originally posted by Storm
This doesn' t open up much possibilities to discussion.

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
Oh, and this isn't me posting posts from the bible, It is a discussion of what christians believe.

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
I just want people to understand what I live for. The God I serve. I mean you don't have to be here if you don't like it.

Well I won't if it stays open...but I prefer Discussion threads on Discussion Forums.....
Oh as for the Bible....I got raised Catholic I had Religious education for 10 years...I know what Catholics or Christians believe...but there are löots of threads like that...just that yourws doesan't leave much room for discussion...why not post your stories in the "Christian Hangout" Thread?

I keep seeing this, people who got on line here and join in but don't want to here anything that is contrary to their belief.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Indeed

We haved threads like that already....

Well I won't if it stays open...but I prefer Discussion threads on Discussion Forums.....
Oh as for the Bible....I got raised Catholic I had Religious education for 10 years...I know what Catholics or Christians believe...but there are löots of threads like that...just that yourws doesan't leave much room for discussion...why not post your stories in the "Christian Hangout" Thread?

I searched for threads like this and didn't find any.

Originally posted by JLRTENJAC
I searched for threads like this and didn't find any.

Seeing that I don't even know what this thread is aboot...maybe....

OK....this is what Christmas is based upon...

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index.html Some nice pictures.

The Church Knew Christ was a fable.

The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."

But I still like Mithra gifts. newyear

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Good sites debbiejoe. I've stumbled upon a few things that coincide with stuff from the first website, including the immense parellels and borrowing from pagan traditions to help in the formation of early Christianity.

Originally posted by debbiejo

The Church Knew Christ was a fable.

The assertion that Jesus Christ is a myth can be proved not only through the works of dissenters and "pagans" who knew the truth - and who were viciously refuted or murdered for their battle against the Christian priests and "Church Fathers" fooling the masses with their fictions - but also through the very statements of the Christians themselves, who continuously disclose that they knew Jesus Christ was a myth founded upon more ancient deities located throughout the known ancient world. In fact, Pope Leo X, privy to the truth because of his high rank, made this curious declaration, "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"15 (Emphasis added.) As Wheless says, "The proofs of my indictment are marvellously easy."

Saying Jesus didn't exist is too far-fetched even for me. I don't have a problem with him not being the son of God. But to say he didn't exist just doesn't sit well with me.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Saying Jesus didn't exist is too far-fetched even for me. I don't have a problem with him not being the son of God. But to say he didn't exist just doesn't sit well with me.

Once you look into it, it becomes much less far-fetched. Not to be misunderstood, I think a historical Jesus existed as well, but probably nothing like our image of him today.

Nearly every great civilization, and many smaller organizations, have myths surrounding a noble hero and his fall from grace and eventual rebirth/triumph/resurrection/etc. Often, as with the Holy Trinity of Christianity, the relationship of this transformation is represented in three's. So 3 being a 'holy number' goes back well before Christianity.

Similarly, life was so much different than it is now that to fully understand how a religion formed in those days is to accept that many falsities would find their way in. Without communication options, the characteristics of Jesus, or even the existence of him as an actual man, would have differed from town to town and region to region (or even person to person). And how was this pared down into one single doctrine and one Jesus image?? Simple...once a stable hierarchy was established, church leaders eliminated the other ways of thinking, whether it was destroying documents, killing "heathens," or simply teaching it the 'accepted way.'

Numerous different accounts exist of Jesus, that to say he didn't exist at all is mere conjecture at best and blatent lying at worst, but to say that it is likely that the majority of what we 'know' about Jesus is wrong is not only possible but probable.

-DM

Saying Jesus didn't exist is too far-fetched even for me. I don't have a problem with him not being the son of God. But to say he didn't exist just doesn't sit well with me

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Saying Jesus didn't exist is too far-fetched even for me. I don't have a problem with him not being the son of God. But to say he didn't exist just doesn't sit well with me.

Read that quote again....It was the Pope that called Christ a fable...

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yeah that too

Originally posted by debbiejo
Read that quote again....It was the [B]Pope that called Christ a fable...

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If more Christians understand this, christianity would not have such a bad image today.