Arrogance with ignorant followers...Gee...even the Catholic church doesn't want you to read the Bible...It tells you that it will make you crazy...you need to trust the Priest....Well, that's what my grandmother told me...and she was Roman Catholic...right from Italy....had 3 priests in the family....
of course the early churches knew that after the bible was translated and more people who became literate more question that they couldnt answer would be raised, also more people would interpreter the scriptures in different ways.
As long as the priests could read it the congregation got the priest view on the aspect and everything was fine.......then the bible got translated..............and thing werent so fine anymore
Just wait until the Koran is translated into different languages for the second and third generation of immigrants that doesnt read arabic, then they will have their renaissance
Yep...the Bibles in the Middle Ages were chained down, so you couldn't take them....If you were caught with one...I think it was like a death sentence...and Latin was said to be the "Holy/Gods" language...not Hebrew...funny....
Well, the Koran needs to get its butt in gear an then they'll have 1000 plus denominations...
Now that'll be a holy war
Originally posted by debbiejo
Read that quote again....It was the [B]Pope that called Christ a fable.... [/B]
I'm a little confused here, so you're saying you don't believe the myths *about* Jesus brought on by the Roman Catholic Church? This I can agree with.
Now the real question for you is.... do you believe in the *historical* Jesus? That's what I want to know.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
I'm a little confused here, so you're saying you don't believe the myths *about* Jesus brought on by the Roman Catholic Church? This I can agree with.Now the real question for you is.... do you believe in the *historical* Jesus? That's what I want to know.
I don't believe the myths that were tacked on, but I think there was probably a man Named Jesus...and it's quite possible that many things he taught were true...though some I think were edited in by the church..I do believe in things like miracles, so that's not a problem...many cultures can preform miracles..
My point was that the Church admitted that it was a myth...so, they must if doctored something to their advantage.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't believe the myths that were tacked on, but I think there was probably a man Named Jesus...and it's quite possible that many things he taught were true...though some I think were edited in by the church..I do believe in things like miracles, so that's not a problem...many cultures can preform miracles..My point was that the Church admitted that it was a myth...so, they must if doctored something to their advantage.
Okay. No problem here.
I'm in the same boat as you.
Before I was unsure what you really meant.
Originally posted by debbiejo
My point was that the Church admitted that it was a myth...so, they must if doctored something to their advantage.
Like if he said, "That whole water-into-wine bit? Yeah, it was actually grape juice."
Of course, the Pope might have been referring to specific teachings during the time that the priests were, well, teaching.
Zoroasterism... Zoraster compiled ancient teaching 1000-600 B.C. Iran
Zoroastriansim teaches that there is one god, whom they call Ahura Mazda, who created all things. The basic belief of Zoroastrianism is that there is a constant battle between the spirit of good and the spirit of evil, and that the earth is the battleground. Everyone should therefore be dedicated to fighting for good thoughts, good words and good deeds, and we will be judged on how well we fought when we die.
Is that what you're asking?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Zoroasterism... Zoraster compiled ancient teaching 1000-600 B.C. IranZoroastriansim teaches that there is one god, whom they call Ahura Mazda, who created all things. The basic belief of Zoroastrianism is that there is a constant battle between the spirit of good and the spirit of evil, and that the earth is the battleground. Everyone should therefore be dedicated to fighting for good thoughts, good words and good deeds, and we will be judged on how well we fought when we die.
Is that what you're asking?
Yes. That's it.
The reason I asked is because it's strikingly similar to Christianity. So I wondered if it predated the Christian faith.
From the information you gave me, it seems that Zoroastrianism existed at least 600 years before Christianity. Did the Jews believed in angels? Because in Zoroastrianism, there are angels. Ahura Mazda is portrayed as an Angel-like God, I think.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Yes. That's it.The reason I asked is because it's strikingly similar to Christianity. So I wondered if it predated the Christian faith.
From the information you gave me, it seems that Zoroastrianism existed at least 600 years before Christianity. Did the Jews believed in angels? Because in Zoroastrianism, there are angels. Ahura Mazda is portrayed as an Angel-like God, I think.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
800 years...........Christianity did not pop up until around 200 years after the supposed death of Jesus. It's alot easier for a church to declare miraculous deeds if the person they are basing them on or making up has been dead for two centuries. It's a little harder to fact-check.
The earliest Gnostic gospels date from A.D. 150 to 200. The New Testament gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) date from A.D. 60 to 100 - approximately one century earlier. This would be the strongest arguement for the majority of the orthodox Christian fundamentalists. They'll tell you that the New Testament gospels are the authentic and reliable source for information on the life and teachings of Jesus.
I don't know how to argue against that. But feel free to tell me what you or anyone else think?
Well, I've heard that both the book of Revelation and many things Paul taught are Gnostic..
Especially Paul on his teachings to deny the body...that's to be clean is to be free of fleshly desires....going against Gods teachings to be fruitful and multiply.
The Book of John and Revelation are both Gnostic in origin. Gnosticism is a pagan, dualistic system (God verses Satan, etc. from Zoroastrianism and other Eastern religions) that heavily influenced the Apostle Paul and via the Manichees Saint Augustine. The Gnostics were declared heretics after Nicaea in 325 CE and butchered. The Zoroastrians in Persia would be butchered by Islam. While Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism are not really monotheistic, their infiltration of the church is very great and still haunts us today.
And crept into other beliefs also.http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/gnosticism/
Originally posted by debbiejo
Well, I've heard that both the book of Revelation and many things Paul taught are Gnostic..Especially Paul on his teachings to deny the body...that's to be clean is to be free of fleshly desires....going against Gods teachings to be fruitful and multiply.
The Book of John and Revelation are both Gnostic in origin. Gnosticism is a pagan, dualistic system (God verses Satan, etc. from Zoroastrianism and other Eastern religions) that heavily influenced the Apostle Paul and via the Manichees Saint Augustine. The Gnostics were declared heretics after Nicaea in 325 CE and butchered. The Zoroastrians in Persia would be butchered by Islam. While Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism are not really monotheistic, their infiltration of the church is very great and still haunts us today.
And crept into other beliefs also.http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/gnosticism/
debbiejo, you actually believe everything in that link?
I have a problem with two gods being male and female. I believe that an omnipotent supreme universal being should be beyond gender.