Genocide in Darfur

What are your thoughts on the situation in Darfur?

Do you think this is one of those things President Bush needs to address in his foreign policy, and if so, why has he conveniently ignored suffering in Africa, but bombed the hell out of Iraq?

If American stands for world peace, democracy and freedom, should America get involved and do something more about Darfur even thought Bush doesnt stand to gain a lot of money out of it and is risking his relationship with Arabia, or shall we just ignore it and not think about it because it makes us feel bad?

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Thoughts?

Well I think we realise that the Iraq thing was a mix of knotting up loose ends, family grudges, right timing, tragedy and stupidity.

Africa, to him, is probably one of those problems that he can continually say he's dealing with but do nothing about. Since the general populace have no REAL insight into the goings on.

-AC

It's not only Bush who is to blame it's the entire western world. No western country is doing its duty over there.

But no other western country claims to be world police, either.

Good Point, don't get me wrong I think Bush should do something about Darfur and a lot of other countries as well. Certainly since he claims to wage war in Iraq based on the ideas of democracy and liberty. If it's really true he should get rid of all other dictators as well, but everyone knows he ain't gonna.

Now I don't see why the rest of the world should be sitting around waiting for Bush to get of his ass, which he ain't gonna.

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fact 1: the US government currently has more initiatives to help the people of Africa than any other country EVER

fact 2: the US has increased its aid to Africa by 3 times since the new administration came into office

fact 3: before someone says "sudan has no oil" which i know will happen given how uneducated some people on here are...sudan is actually rich in oil

fact 4: Sudan is currently heavily supported by China both economically and militarily...can anyone say "new cold war"

fact 1: Might be very well so, but I have no data on it.

fact 2: They can still do more, I'm not saying other countries shouldn't do more.

fact 3: Sudan is a pretty rich country indeed, the only reason I didn't bring up that arguement, altho I still think it holds grounds.

fact 4: A new cold war would be a shitty idea.

The US needs to accept the fact that it will lose its world domination

very simple fact - the entire western world needs to be involved in stopping this.. noone is doing anything when everyone should be doing all they can.. this is a horrible situation that has been going on for sometime now and needs to be reconciled ASAP

Originally posted by jaden101
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fact 1: the US government currently has more initiatives to help the people of Africa than any other country EVER

fact 2: the US has increased its aid to Africa by 3 times since the new administration came into office

fact 3: before someone says "sudan has no oil" which i know will happen given how uneducated some people on here are...sudan is actually rich in oil

fact 4: Sudan is currently heavily supported by China both economically and militarily...can anyone say "new cold war"

Wow, well thank you for that illuminating report, Captain Obvious.

For one, the fact that america still holds Africa in debit is a pretty good indication of how much help they are receiving. Also, enlighten us with some reports and figures.

Second, no shit sherlock, sudan is rich in resources. I wonder why the conflict in sudan occured to begin with.

Perhaps the fact that Arabia is involved in the war has something to do with bush not having any part in it, or yeah it could be something else.

Also, what are your thoughts on Derfur. You told us everything apart from the reply to the OP.

Originally posted by bilb
very simple fact - the entire western world needs to be involved in stopping this.. noone is doing anything when everyone should be doing all they can.. this is a horrible situation that has been going on for sometime now and needs to be reconciled ASAP

Agreed. Le world is needed not just USA.

That's what I said minutes ago.

But the worlds needs to do a hell of a lot more than just Darfur

thats true fire.. very true.. but the atrocities in Darfur (IMO) need to be addressed urgently

So does the still continuing genocide in Congo, Ruanda and Burundi (that's been going for about 5 years now and nobody does shit about it)

Sometimes..I wish we weren't depended on to wipe the rest of the world's collective ass.

i understand that line of thinking Cine.. but if we are gonna claim moral high ground in places like Iraq & Kosovo then we need to be prepared to do the same everywhere

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
But no other western country claims to be world police, either.

Well let's see, Western Countries? Shall we start with the UN, who sat back and vetoed the use of troops to Rwanda, and who sat back and did nothing in the Cambodian massacres, or the Kosovo deals. Not to mention the way they allowed a Pakistani convoy in Somalia to be ripped apart because of their orders not to shoot back no matter what. And then we have the Oil For Food deal.

Yeah no other country claims to be the world's police, but the deputy's department isn't doing much either....maybe it's time the people we appointed to keep the peace in other parts of the world (the UN) start doing that job, instead of taking a Utopian stance every time they turn a blind eye to the massacres they were sent to prevent.

The UN needs to be heavily reformed but I seriously doubt Bush is all for that.

I'm not saying the US is the only one to blame.
But I get the feeling you are using the arguement: "The UN sucks at its job" as a reason why the US has the right to police the world.

Tell me if I'm wrong tho

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Sometimes..I wish we weren't depended on to wipe the rest of the world's collective ass.

That's what the UN was sent to do, and so far they've done nothing but collect over 30 million in unpaid parking tickets, waste the taxpayers' money with that crumbling building they use as their debating club, and sit back and condemn each new act of ethnic cleansing as "horrible and tragic" and do nothing to stop it for fear of whatever it is they risk having happen to them if they fire a shot to stop someone from killng someone else in another country.

Originally posted by Fire
The UN needs to be heavily reformed but I seriously doubt Bush is all for that.

I'm not saying the US is the only one to blame.
But I get the feeling you are using the arguement: "The UN sucks at its job" as a reason why the US has the right to police the world.

Tell me if I'm wrong tho

No what I meant is that we relied on the UN to do it's job and take the risks they get paid for and all they do is sit back and underuse the power they have. Being a peacekeeper also means standing in harm's way. And if their military track trecord speaks of their dedication to peacekeeping, then they should just stick a fork in it's ass,because it's done.

No you're right, maybe we shouldn't be the world's police force, and we relied on the UN to help us out and do their part in our absence. Apparently we made the wrong choice. Noone appreciates what we do anyway so maybe it's time we just hung it up. Then if we do that, we're still bastards because we refuse to help, so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

the UN its power is very limited, they are far too depended on the Security Council.

Well you might be right in your last sentence. But there is a difference between helping out the world and policing it.