True, helping someone and doing a job for them are 2 diff. things. Thing is, it seems that the rest of the world dosen't want to be helped, and then they sit back and wonder why they have the messes they have in their backyard. You can't have the cake and eat it too. In order to gain benefits, sometimes you have to take risks. And as long as the U.N. sits there and pretends to care, I don't know what to say.
I'll see you on that one, Fire. The UNSC sucks.
And as further proof of their impotence, the great U.N. debate on gun violence was their biggest debacle yet. UN anti-gun spokeswoman Rebecca Peters has over 500 anti-gun groups with her and the endless funding of George Soros thru www.moveon.org
The point? The U.N. is blaming America's pro-gun attitude for the amount of small arms violence in Third World countries.
Uh yeah....AK-47's are Russian in design, not American, and the rest of the world carries them in 95% of the Third World. But yet it's all America's fault that murders are happening with Russian weapons.
And Rwanda's massacres took place with machetes,not guns.
As further proof of the U.N. intention to kill the headache by cutting off the head, they proposed a U.N. Gun Ban they want in 2006,where Americans could no longer own private firearms except for government officials, with no concessions to the countries proposing the ban.
How will banning guns in America help the Third World problem? Will that stop the next Hutu rebel from killing a Tutsi tribesman with an
AK-47?
Imposing on America's sovereignty and our Constitution is just another way to try to turn us into a Utopian Socialist police state where only the government has firearms,and thus ultimate control over us. By the U.N.?
Ain't happening....
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
I'll see you on that one, Fire. The UNSC sucks.And as further proof of their impotence, the great U.N. debate on gun violence was their biggest debacle yet. UN anti-gun spokeswoman Rebecca Peters has over 500 anti-gun groups with her and the endless funding of George Soros thru www.moveon.org
The point? The U.N. is blaming America's pro-gun attitude for the amount of small arms violence in Third World countries.
Uh yeah....AK-47's are Russian in design, not American, and the rest of the world carries them in 95% of the Third World. But yet it's all America's fault that murders are happening with Russian weapons.
And Rwanda's massacres took place with machetes,not guns.
As further proof tof the U.N. intention to kill the headache by cutting off the head, they proposed a U.N. Gun Ban they want in 2006,where Americans could no longer own private firearms except for government officials, with no concessions to the countries proposing the ban.
How will banning guns in America help the Third World problem? Will that stop the next Hutu rebel from killing a Tutsi tribesman with an
AK-47?
I fail to see the connection... Yes we have guns (too many IMO) in the US but FFS as you pointed out we arent the only manufacturers or distributors of them.. and the machetes thing is spot on
Originally posted by bilb
I fail to see the connection... Yes we have guns (too many IMO) in the US but FFS as you pointed out we arent the only manufacturers or distributors of them.. and the machetes thing is spot on
The connection is that they are covering their own inadequacy by trying to pressurize us into disarmament, except for government officials who can have guns in their private residences while Americans would be barred from the same. What's fair about that? Are ordinary Americans less deserving of the right to self defense or shooting sports? The Constitution is for everyone, not the politicians exclusively.
The day guns are outlawed, outlaws will have guns, and the UN having control over America's Constitution and sovereignty is nothing but a larger scale plan to turn us into a shooting gallery. The politicians can have theirs, ordinary Americans can too.
Does any American here in this forum or anywhere else REALLY want the UN in control of our policies? Based on their own failings in other countries, and their lame excuses to try to disarm us, ask yourself what their ultimate plan is for America..
Bill Clinton is runnnig for UN General Secretary in 2006. He believes no American has a right to own a gun, and yet admits having his own. Working with the UN to fulfill the Democrats long standing wishes of a gun free America save for themselves. This is just 2 groups working together to defeat a common stumbling block to their Socialist supremacy. No govt. should fear law abiding citizens who earn their rights,nor should they suffer the removal of those rights because of the indiscretions of a few who don't respect them.
Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Sometimes..I wish we weren't depended on to wipe the rest of the world's collective ass.
If the U.S. helps they are to be blame. If the U.S. doesn't help they are to be blame...either way the U.S. is always responsible for something. Go figure the logic of some people...
Originally posted by Dagons Blade
The connection is that they are covering their own inadequacy by trying to pressurize us into disarmament, except for government officials who can have guns in their private residences while Americans would be barred from the same. What's fair about that? Are ordinary Americans less deserving of the right to self defense or shooting sports? The Constitution is for everyone, not the politicians exclusively.The day guns are outlawed, outlaws will have guns, and the UN having control over America's Constitution and sovereignty is nothing but a larger scale plan to turn us into a shooting gallery. The politicians can have theirs, ordinary Americans can too.
when i said i fail to see the connection i was agreeing with you 😛
Originally posted by WindDancer
If the U.S. helps they are to be blame. If the U.S. doesn't help they are to be blame...either way the U.S. is always responsible for something. Go figure the logic of some people...
This is why the UN is shaking in it's shoes now as a result of Bolton's appointment as ambassador. Because now they know their free ride is over.
I said this at another earlier, and got called everything from a "white racist Republican C*****ucker" to a "gun toting maniac who probably laughs at every school shooting" and a " shotgun toting good ole boy whose NRA dues also covers his life insurance in the KKK."
Based on statements like this, I wonder which political party really has the worse problem....
Actually I should make my point of view a bit clearer:
Everyone knows that for years, the Democrats and Liberals have tried as hard as possible to ban guns in America, while promoting the right of their own ilk to walk free and do and say whatever the hell they want with no repsonbsibility for their actions. Anything right is swept away for the left and groups like the ACLU and other whiner groups back them up.
And now most of the backup and support of this anti-gun movement comes from the UN and the Democrats and Liberals, and each group is washing the others' hands.
Suppose, in a twisted way, that their plan is to turn America into a Socialist shooting gallery with a green light to persecute and abuse Conservatives and Republicans as revenge for the long standing oppression they deem themselves victims of? The new Salem witch hunts, as it were.
And using the Govt. to carry it out as Americans have no way to fight back because there ar no guns to do it with?
Might be a conspiracy theory, but based on the UN's past "condemnations" of large scale massacres, I can only imagine the glee they would feel when the UN and the EU had their total control over America.
Umm this thread isn't about guns. We don't sell guns in supermarkets here, we have less violent crime. Correlation and causation? Perhaps, perhaps not.
Anyway the thread is about Africa, U.N. and U.S. apparently.
Frankly those who question the validity of the U.N. must look at what they're own countries are doing within and without the U.N. I.e. introspection without the patriot goggles. The U.S. holds a permanent seat on the Security Council. This is the U.S. veto record from 1972 to 2002:
1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.
1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of states.
1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Affirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.
1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.
1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of United Nations Decade for Women.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.
1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.
1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.
1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives and debts.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3 resolutions.
1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Development of international law.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.
1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 15 resolutions.
1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.
1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.
1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist activities .
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.
1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment and development.
8 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the League of Arab States.
1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.
1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resolutions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.
1995 Affirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
I would hazard a guess that most people are entirely overestimating the amount that their own country's foreign humanitarian aid is.
In the past 45 years the U.S. has given an inflation adjusted $50 billion. In a single year the Administration will spend more than $80 billion in military funding to Iraq.
I don't know current figures but U.S. foreign humanitarian aid in 1999, (which for some reason includes aid to Israel) accounted for approx 16% of total aid. If that has increased one should note that other countries have also increased their aid budgets. In 1999 the U.S. was last amongst industrialized nations in aid as a proportion of GDP.
"November and got almost no response. March appeal for $16 million got about $1 million. May 25 plea for $30.7 million has received $7.6 million."
There were three appeals for food aid to Niger from industrialized nations over the past year, before the situation became as dire as it has now. 3 million people now risk death from starvation.
I don't mean to single out the U.S., it does do a lot for the world, but Americans should realise their country has been no angel on the world stage and the U.N. does a lot of good work. The U.N. needs reform but not all of it's failings are entirely it's fault, and it is only as strong as the support it gets from it's member states.