no, he was never a full-god except for in the mythology. When he firstr arrived in comics, he was equal to Thor without Mjolnir in terms of strength and was described only as a demi-god (which means 50% god). Then, some time later, he joined the Avengers, and for some unknown reason, was a hell of a lot stronger, and was not called a demi-god or a full-god, just a "god". Then, in Avengers #269, Zeus took away his godhood and immortality, therefore sapping him of most of his strength. Over the years though, he has been gradually regaining his strength, and currently he has about one-quarter of his original strength (the one that was equal to Thor w/op Mjolnir), whereas when he first got sapped he only had about one-tenth.
i don't think so armando. what you basing that increase on?
and thor and hulk have both applied enough pressure in the past to sue's force fields that she nearly passed out and WOULD have had there not been intervention. herc could get through it - but it would take time. i'm not really sure hwo would win this fight.
Originally posted by armandovalles
yea it does, when he's in possession of it his strength gets multiplied by 1.5.so say he lifts 100 tons without it, that means he lifts 150 tons with it.
Never heard of that. The belt of strength is the only thing that increases Thor's strength (x5, I think.) Where'd you hear about Mjolnir increasing his strength?
Thor lifts a shitload more than 100 tons... 😕
"The thing is those arguing for Herc are arguing as if he's going to be taking them on one by one. He's not. He's fighting all of the FF simultaneously as a team, + She-Hulk who's also had team experience with the FF."
Its a brawl. The way i see it would happen pretty much the same with the Hulk. Thing and Torch pretty much go down. She Hulk since we dont know how strong she is compared with immortal levels its a doubt. If shes not really stronger she wont last long. That leaves you Reed and Sue. Reed in a straight up fight its not going to get hurt because of his maleable body. But he can get knocked out. Its Sue the real key. The most powerful member of the Fantastic Four and whose shields if im not wrong wer never broken. A Brawl the F4 its not using all theyr potental while Herc is. Of course hes not going to win all. Not by a longshot.
"She-Hulk was in Jupiter Suit when they arm-wrestled wasn't she?"
Yes.
About the difference between Mortal Herc and immortal, its merely a powerset one. When he was first made Mortal all of his powers wer cut in half. Later showings ( Jla/Avengers, She-Hulk, against the exemplars and Dark Gods ) shows him to be alot stronger. A low class 100 of sorts. What hurts him in powerset when hes Mortal its the huge lack of stamina compared what he had, less durability and less streght.
Immortal levels make him pretty much tireless, able to take on bullets and energy atatcks, full strenght (nevermind the tons, like with Thor and Hulk, its not quantified, there was nothing these could find that they couldnt lift. ) together with the figthing skills and immortality.
Originally posted by armandovalles
no, he was never a full-god except for in the mythology. When he firstr arrived in comics, he was equal to Thor without Mjolnir in terms of strength and was described only as a demi-god (which means 50% god). Then, some time later, he joined the Avengers, and for some unknown reason, was a hell of a lot stronger, and was not called a demi-god or a full-god, just a "god". Then, in Avengers #269, Zeus took away his godhood and immortality, therefore sapping him of most of his strength. Over the years though, he has been gradually regaining his strength, and currently he has about one-quarter of his original strength (the one that was equal to Thor w/op Mjolnir), whereas when he first got sapped he only had about one-tenth.
Originally posted by olympian
So far she has proven to be stronger than Mortal Herc.About a straight up fight unless Hercules does like Glads and starts going for the kill early he wont have a clear win.
How do you know it was a mortal hercules? In his current series did an event happen to suddenly make him immortal again or is he mortal now in his current series?
Originally posted by armandovalles
no, he was never a full-god except for in the mythology. When he firstr arrived in comics, he was equal to Thor without Mjolnir in terms of strength and was described only as a demi-god (which means 50% god). Then, some time later, he joined the Avengers, and for some unknown reason, was a hell of a lot stronger, and was not called a demi-god or a full-god, just a "god". Then, in Avengers #269, Zeus took away his godhood and immortality, therefore sapping him of most of his strength. Over the years though, he has been gradually regaining his strength, and currently he has about one-quarter of his original strength (the one that was equal to Thor w/op Mjolnir), whereas when he first got sapped he only had about one-tenth.
When characters first appear in comics theyre always shown as much more powerful and dangerous. You cant assume that just because sometimes he's referred to as demi god and sometimes just as a god that hercules power levels change as well. The same thing happens to Galactus and other powerful cosmics with no relation to their power levels. It just depends on the writer. When Zeus actually took away Hercs immortality did it actually say his physical strength had been reduced in the comic or did you assume that because he wasnt performing feats as great as he did when he first appeared in comics. Im just asking because all of this is confusing. Also those figures relating to his strength are just unfounded speculation and should not be used in a debate as part of an argument.
"How do you know it was a mortal hercules? In his current series did an event happen to suddenly make him immortal again or is he mortal now in his current series?"
Because the writer Tieri said he would write him as immortal. And he did. Mortal Herc wouldnt have such an easy time with Abom like he if he had the depowered strenght. Mortal Herc as in his later showings would do alot better than he did against Hulk in unleashed, but ko him with one hit?
Not to mention ive read in forums already that Thor did the very same thing to Abomination on another time. Regular Thor is stronger than Mortal Herc by defination.
"When Zeus actually took away Hercs immortality did it actually say his physical strength had been reduced in the comic or did you assume that because he wasnt performing feats as great as he did when he first appeared in comics."
It was stated that his full power was cut in half. In Hercs miniseries after that event and the Hulk one shot its stated again he wasent as strong as he once was. The team where he was for some time during that era ( Heroes for Hire ) states the same and shows hes not strong as before. There are pretty much in all his apperances until recently statements by him and other characters about his depowering issue.
"Im just asking because all of this is confusing"
I give you that. Cannon wise he was mortal until the recent series.
While written as immortal we didnt saw Zeus giving his immortality back on panel yet. So either he is still mortal but its written as immortal -anyway-, or he was given back his immortality off panel and some next story might make reference to it.
From what ive gathered from some Tieri`s interviews hes pretty much wrapping a sequel to this mini. So we might get a clear answer to all the mess. He should just be immortal and let it be done with it.