Originally posted by stickman618
wouldn't dominance over the hogyoku mean he can beat anyone regardless of their power level?? all he has to do is wish hard enough right?
Not right! For the sole fact that its Bleach, that will most likely not work against any character with importance(Ichigo) even if he took out that train thing. Plus, logic and reason have no place in Bleach; otherwise, the captain, vizards, Urahara, and Aizen himself would have used their bankai by now.
This is really out the blue but does anyone think that Ichigo should just move away from otherworldly affairs and start fighting crime. He's got all the ridiculous plot-devices and motives plus the shinigami thing isn't going to well for him at the moment. So how about super-hero Ichigo.
Originally posted by stickman618
wouldn't dominance over the hogyoku mean he can beat anyone regardless of their power level?? all he has to do is wish hard enough right?
from what i remember you have to have the power to achieve it yourself, the hoygaku just allows you to shape the power into whatever action youre trying to perform
or something like that
Originally posted by stickman618
wouldn't dominance over the hogyoku mean he can beat anyone regardless of their power level?? all he has to do is wish hard enough right?
It isn't a true genie.
He already desires the death of the King, and his placement upon the throne. He would never have to amp himself up and try to get to the domain of the King if the Hogyoku granted any and every desire.
The requirements/power necessary for the inner desires brought about by the Hogyoku must already be present as well.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, dominance over the hogyoku is what gives him the ability to control the form, likely.
Probably.
It likely gives him an extra level of protection as well, one that Ichigo should not have if he manages to control that form of his. Ichigo should have high-speed regeneration, while Aizen's Hogyoku regen seems to be above that, based on Aizen's words.
Well, it's definitely a final form of Getsuga Tensho...which is an attack, not a sword release.
However, the sword may need to be released to get the final attack. Also, what happened to Ichigo being the only one that could defeat Aizen and his "double the Reiatesu of the average captain", etc?
I wish Kishi would stick to one story plot and not just change things on a whim. It's like, "Imma do this...oh, look....a squirrel!"
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Except Kishi isn't the one who writes Bleach. If he did write Bleach, it's no wonder Bleach isn't good. Working on 2 separate weekly mangas at the same time is very difficult.(I know who you meant though 😛)
I meant Tite Kubo. weep
iThat was a freudian slip of the worst degree: I was defending Kishimoto in the other thread and that "bled" over into this one.
I'm wondering, now that Aizen is in the real Karakura town, he is one step closer to obtaining the king's key...
that said, there are still two groups yet to be revealed, which I'm hoping to see, the zero squad and the vasto lordes...
all that's been mentioned is that a captain gets 'promoted' to the zero squad, as in the case of Kisuke's predecessor from the 12th squad...
as for the vasto lordes, one of the espada's assignments is to search for them, as seen and mentioned in Nnoitra and Nel's flashback...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfUBarragan was at the very least a Vasto Lorde, Starrk probably was one, and the silhouette of a Vasto Lorde we see was actually Ulquiorra. So... Yeah.
as for the vasto lordes, one of the espada's assignments is to search for them, as seen and mentioned in Nnoitra and Nel's flashback...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
I'm wondering, now that Aizen is in the real Karakura town, he is one step closer to obtaining the king's key...that said, there are still two groups yet to be revealed, which I'm hoping to see, the zero squad and the vasto lordes...
all that's been mentioned is that a captain gets 'promoted' to the zero squad, as in the case of Kisuke's predecessor from the 12th squad...
as for the vasto lordes, one of the espada's assignments is to search for them, as seen and mentioned in Nnoitra and Nel's flashback...
The Zero squad will be shown if Aizen enters the King's dimension.
Barragan has been shown to us before he became an Arrancar. He was a Vasto Lorde.
~ Isshin is a former Zero squad member 😖hifty:
i'm not convinced that Baraggan is a vasto lorde, it was never confirmed, I still view the espada as merely the strongest in Aizen's army of arrancars, that is my opinion and I may be wrong..
as for Isshin, you make a good point, someone also mentioned in another thread that he may have been the former captain of the 10th squad before Hitsugaya...
Originally posted by NemeBro
Barragan was at the very least a Vasto Lorde, Starrk probably was one, and the silhouette of a Vasto Lorde we see was actually Ulquiorra. So... Yeah.
Like I was saying when arguing with you for pages, most likely the quattro are all Vasto Lordes.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i'm not convinced that Baraggan is a vasto lorde, it was never confirmed, I still view the espada as merely the strongest in Aizen's army of arrancars, that is my opinion and I may be wrong..as for Isshin, you make a good point, someone also mentioned in another thread that he may have been the former captain of the 10th squad before Hitsugaya...
Wait, how is Barragan not a Vasto Lorde when he was king of all the hollows, was completely unchallanged as far as power goes, and was bored because there was nothing left in Hueco Mundo to challenge him enough to give him entertainment?
I don't doubt that Baraggan was king of Hueco Mundo, but it doesn't seem that his influence and authority was absolute, if it were, he could have simply commanded all the vasto lordes to join Aizen's army...
also, I said I may be wrong, I guess we'll just have to wait if and when Tite decides to reveal them...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i'm not convinced that Baraggan is a vasto lorde, it was never confirmed, I still view the espada as merely the strongest in Aizen's army of arrancars, that is my opinion and I may be wrong..as for Isshin, you make a good point, someone also mentioned in another thread that he may have been the former captain of the 10th squad before Hitsugaya...
He isn't a Vasto Lorde. He was a Vasto Lorde.
Vasto Lorde are Hollows. When he was a part of the Espada, Baraggan was an Arrancar, which by definition, is different from a [proper] hollow.
a) Baraggan was the King of Hueco Mundo, albeit self-proclaimed. In other words, he was the Hollow version of Yamamoto, considering no other hollow could challenge him. A simple Adjuchas filling such a role (especially when there are Vasto Lordes present in Hueco Mundo) is laughably inane.
b) Everyone in the Espada, barring the weakest of them (Aaroniero Arruruerie) were at least Adjuchas. This means that Espadas #0-8 were at least Adjuchas. Grimmjow was definitely an Adjuchas, which means that #6-8 were therefore Adjuchas-class before they became Arrancar. Yet Baraggan's power makes Grimmjow's look like that of a child's. The gap in power between #8 and #2 is too great for both of them to have been Adjuchas before they became Arrancar.
c) Then there's the overall shape of Baraggan, which was close to human (skull and all), unlike Adjuchas that are typically humanoid.
d) Starrk being greater in power than Baraggan, was most likely a Vasto Lorde as well, before he separated his soul.
As for Isshin, I have the gut feeling that he wasn't a Captain when he retired or defected. He's Captain-level, and he has a Captain's Haori, but he wears it differently, unlike Kisuke and Yuroichi who do not wear their Haori.