The Official BLEACH series Thread

Good ones DP...

as for Isshin, I've always thought he retired maybe because he fell in love, if he defected, then that's another food for thought as to what he might have done to be exiled...

he did mention Aizen when he was talking to Kisuke after defeating the Grand Fisher, so from a chronological standpoint he might have been a captain (or not) in soul society after the events of the TBTP arc...

also, when Shinji was trying to recruit Ichigo, their convo was interrupted by an immense reiatsu (Isshin's) that Shinji couldn't recognize though he did say it belonged to a shinigami...

Considering that Aizen himself said to Gin that he needs to gather enough Vasto Lordes to complete his ten-member Espada proves it. Furthermore Vasto Lorde were human-sized whereas the Adjuchas were considerably larger in size. Aizen's prototype Arrancnar--Gran Fisher--was a Adjuchas. The ones after that were Vasto Lorde if I recall correctly.

Man I'm just in time, I never read the manga after Grimmjow vs. Ichigo, but I don't need to sense, I read the current chapters and we're just back at the series roots with Ichgio and pals before giving Soul Society plot relevance.

Yep, Ichigo vs. Grimmjow is the height of the series' good quality. After that it just goes further and further down hill.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He [b]isn't a Vasto Lorde. He was a Vasto Lorde.
Vasto Lorde are Hollows. When he was a part of the Espada, Baraggan was an Arrancar, which by definition, is different from a [proper] hollow.

a) Baraggan was the King of Hueco Mundo, albeit self-proclaimed. In other words, he was the Hollow version of Yamamoto, considering no other hollow could challenge him. A simple Adjuchas filling such a role (especially when there are Vasto Lordes present in Hueco Mundo) is laughably inane.

b) Everyone in the Espada, barring the weakest of them (Aaroniero Arruruerie) were at least Adjuchas. This means that Espadas #0-8 were at least Adjuchas. Grimmjow was definitely an Adjuchas, which means that #6-8 were therefore Adjuchas-class before they became Arrancar. Yet Baraggan's power makes Grimmjow's look like that of a child's. The gap in power between #8 and #2 is too great for both of them to have been Adjuchas before they became Arrancar.

c) Then there's the overall shape of Baraggan, which was close to human (skull and all), unlike Adjuchas that are typically humanoid.

d) Starrk being greater in power than Baraggan, was most likely a Vasto Lorde as well, before he separated his soul.

As for Isshin, I have the gut feeling that he wasn't a Captain when he retired or defected. He's Captain-level, and he has a Captain's Haori, but he wears it differently, unlike Kisuke and Yuroichi who do not wear their Haori. [/B]

You're damn sexy. 😮

Why can't all anime have Bleach's level of animation? 🙁

draxx_tOfU
I don't doubt that Baraggan was king of Hueco Mundo, but it doesn't seem that his influence and authority was absolute, if it were, he could have simply commanded all the vasto lordes to join Aizen's army...

Vasto Lorde were incredibly rare and probably strong enough to be independent, plus HM is very large and they tended to be off in the deepest areas so they might not all be known.

Starrk didn't bow to him.

Harribel or Ulquiorra, the other two possible candidates for VL in the Espada ranks, might've, or they might've just stayed out of his way.

If there's VL other than those, it might be that Aizen simply never found then, so Barragan likely didn't know any others either.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Why can't all anime have Bleach's level of animation? 🙁

Budget, plain and simple.

I know, but, damn!

Every fight should be as well animated as the Grimmjow vs. Ichigo fight >_> That shit was crazy. Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra wasn't bad either.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I know, but, damn!

Every fight should be as well animated as the Grimmjow vs. Ichigo fight >_> That shit was crazy. Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra wasn't bad either.

Ichigo vs Grimmjow was beast! However I don't think they did Ulquiorra's fight justice; only because some of the censorship prevented it from being over the top like in the manga. This is just me being picky is all.

to talk about the animated versions of such fights, I believe that the fights between Ichigo and Grimmjow were done the best. haven't seen the one animated one of Ichigo and Ulquiourra, but if they did it somewhat right, then it should have been pretty good.

as for the recent chapter, I'm surprised to see a spirit version of Tensa Zangetsu and I gotta say that he's a tough one. but what I would like to know is what happened to Ichigo's inner hollow. I'm surprised that he isn't there right now, watching them.

So, new chapter is out.

*Yawn* Whatever. Zomg Ichigo has to dig around inside his sword and beat up his inner child again. We've never seen that before.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Good ones DP...

as for Isshin, I've always thought he retired maybe because he fell in love, if he defected, then that's another food for thought as to what he might have done to be exiled...

he did mention Aizen when he was talking to Kisuke after defeating the Grand Fisher, so from a chronological standpoint he might have been a captain (or not) in soul society after the events of the TBTP arc...

also, when Shinji was trying to recruit Ichigo, their convo was interrupted by an immense reiatsu (Isshin's) that Shinji couldn't recognize though he did say it belonged to a shinigami...

Him defecting and/or retiring is more probable than him being exiled, but he did lose his powers after retiring, which is strange.

Probably. The only captain we do not see is the 11th division Captain, but he ceased being a Shinigami 20 years ago, whereas Kenpachi became the 11th division Captain by killing the former one. Could be that he was the 11th Captain, he got promoted into the Zero division, and then retired/defected/got exiled.

Then again, like you said, Shinji doesn't recognize the reiatsu, which means that they did not meet when Shinji was a captain.
Also, Ryuken somehow knows Isshin as well, and that he possesses Shinigami powers.

Meh, me gut just says that he's a Zero squad member, because of the way he wears his Captain's Haori. The division insignia is not visible as well. He's also strong enough to combat Aizen solo, & he's a BAMF to boot stoned

Originally posted by danteiscool
as for the recent chapter, I'm surprised to see a spirit version of Tensa Zangetsu and I gotta say that he's a tough one. but what I would like to know is what happened to Ichigo's inner hollow. I'm surprised that he isn't there right now, watching them.

Technically, Shirosaki is Zangetsu. If Zangetsu is physically present in Ichigo's inner world, Shirosaki cannot be physically present, and vice versa.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're damn sexy. 😮

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Wonder why Zangetsu is taking a younger appearance; he looked cooler as an old man with shades. I think this is an attempt to try and make Ichigo's bankai look cool again but its a little late for that in my opinion.

Maybe Ichigo's inner hollow is sealed inside this version of Zangetsu since Ichigo should of made it his center of power after his fight for dominance.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder why Zangetsu is taking a younger appearance; he looked cooler as an old man with shades. I think this is an attempt to try and make Ichigo's bankai look cool again but its a little late for that in my opinion.

Maybe Ichigo's inner hollow is sealed inside this version of Zangetsu since Ichigo should of made it his center of power after his fight for dominance.

Kubo does give a pretty decent explanation with regards to the change. The younger version is Tensa Zangetsu, while the older version is just Zangetsu.

As for why he turned into a younger version, it's a good question.

~ I wonder what 'Engetsu' means. Granted, it has to do with the moon and all, just like Kyoka Suigetsu, and Zangetsu.

another curveball from Tite...

i wonder what the relationship is between these zanpakutos...

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder why Zangetsu is taking a younger appearance; he looked cooler as an old man with shades. I think this is an attempt to try and make Ichigo's bankai look cool again but its a little late for that in my opinion.

Maybe Ichigo's inner hollow is sealed inside this version of Zangetsu since Ichigo should of made it his center of power after his fight for dominance.

No, it's Kubo trying to take a crap on the whole Zanpakutou Arc that took a dump on the concepts of Zanpakutous that he created. It's his way of getting back at the anime adapters/writers.

I love it: passive agression.

It's a good chapter, but far too short. It's like, nothing ever happens in these chapters because they are 10-20 pages too short.

I'm really starting to wonder whether or not this final Getsuga will actually help Ichigo. To be honest, I think he'd be better off trying to tame that H2 transformation; at least then we would know it wasn't totally PIS if he did that.

Unless this training segment hammers years of experience of using Zangetsu into Ichigo then I'm not sure it will really work. Tensa Zangetsu has had some pretty underwhelming feats since......the arrancar's appearance: at least without the mask anyway.

BTW, I'm surprised someone could stand nearly a year of filler...or was it over that.

Bleach moves so0o0o0o0o slowly. ****in' a. Takes like three chapters for 3 minutes of shit to happen.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Bleach moves so0o0o0o0o slowly. ****in' a. Takes like three chapters for 3 minutes of shit to happen.

lol, Aizen's spiritual pressure in this form is less than Yamamoto's judging by Tatsuki's reaction in this chapter...