Originally posted by dadudemonOkay first of all dude, WTF!? TWO long posts? Dick...And that copy paste shit is too much, I'm too lazy. So haha!
True, but he doesn't hasn't used it since the old days because he's one dimensional. 😐But those things do jack diddly with anyone over her level, which has been proven. She is very one dimensional when fighting strong characters. Just variations of ice attacks.
Right, going from H2H combat to SUPER H2H combat, both mixed with flash steps that Ichigo can do. So how was that a counter? 😄
True. We will probably get to see him improve. He probably has super kidou as well...but we've only seen him do fire bending with his sword. 😐 hahahahahaha
True. But, again, he probably knows Kidou. Just like all the characters I mentioned. But they fight dimensionally...which is worse that Ichigo's situation.
True, but that is not a counter to him being a very one dimensional fighter.
I'd say, no. She is not as versatile as Ichigo. Her sword is really versatile in a physical sense, but her ability to fight and defeat different enemies is not on the same level as Ichigo; so she is not as versatile. She is, however, able to fight really well.
But the psychological aspect of it still played a roll in that fight. That's his thing. That was my point. One could argue that #5 was less versatile after he started flipping out, making him more susceptible to the final sword strike. Technically, Kenpachi should have been too slow to keep up. Do you honestly think that Kenpachi is as fast as Ichigo's Bankai form? Do you honestly think that Kenpachi is faster than Sea Shell head captain when Ichigo was supposed to be faster than Sea Shell head captain in Bankai form? Hmm?
Let's call that fight simply PIS, shall we?
Ichigo hardened his Zanpakatou to uber levels...enough to cut through Kenpachi's sword. That was the whole point of "WHY!?!?!?" Ichigo won that fight.
Ichigo was also badly injured and had next to nothing in reitsu left when he finally fought #5. Since Grimmjow's form was similar to Ichigo's bankai as far as a speed boost goes, I would say that Grimmjow was a faster fighter than #5 in his released form. Also, because Ichigo didn't have any reitsu left, he didn't have a way to harden his sword or basically sharpen it enough to do anything to that uber armor of the Esapda.
True on all accounts. We agree there. But I am saying that those two can't do it becaue their reitsu was too powerful from the beginning to be able to "learn" it. They have suppressed their swords greatly. Absurdly, actually. Ichigo's father said that the Captains would be lugging around skyscrappers if they didn't do it. In fact, Ichigo is so good at it that his suppressed form on his Zanpakatou is so focused that it is a power increase and speed increase instead of a hindrance. (his bankai form is a ultra compact form ....)
We know that he has to be much older than 100 years becaue there was a flash back to that time when he was doing experiments at that age. We've seen that people in soul society even grow up very very slowly. Ichigo has been at this for less than a year and he's already one of the strongest fighters in the entire Bleach universe. Can Ichigo be cut some slack for not being able to seal his zanpakatou after less than a year at being at this? Also, I suspect that it took so long to do his Vizard from mastery because he has such little experience as a shinigami with too much reistsu making it very hard to focus that form properly.
Unless Kenpachi's fight with #5 was PIS, he does have excellent control when it comes to focusing his blade's sharpness.
And, no, you're wrong about that last part. It is bond and the ability to focus your reitsu correctly that makes your sword sharper. The anime expanded on that, visually, to give a better idea of what it meant in the manga.
Since we're talking about the manga, it does matter. That's they way it is.
Actually, I've already shown that Kenpachi's fight with #5 is technically PIS and his fight with Ichigo wouldn't be. Ichigo's fight with Grimmjow taking so long is also PIS. He should have wiped the floor with Grimmjow. Watch, his fight with #4 will take forever too. It's a story.
And when has Kenpachi shown that he goes 100% from the beginning of any fight? Exactly.
1. ...He hasn't been in a fight since then. 😐 He hasn't fought anyone since he left Soul Society, in which he in fact DID use Kido...And one shot a Captain with it.
2. That be like me saying that those Ichigo's attacks do jack diddly to anyone on Aizen's level and me saying he sucks because of it...Wtf? Against someone HER level, they are effective and usable.
3. Flash Cry is super H2H combat which can paralyze people and more...And she has shown more versatility than Ichigo, and hasn't even revealed her Bankai.
4. Well he is generally regarded to be the strongest of the Gotei 13.
5. ...Ikkaku, like all Squad 11 members, hates Kido and refuses to use it. They view it as weak.
6. How so? He has versatility with his powers, Superman only has basic superpowers, but can use them in varieties of ways in fights...That doesn't make him one-dimensional.
7. But being overall weaker does not mean she is less versatile.
8. He wasn't flipping out AT ALL when Kenny did the final strike, and was being his normal arrogant self. Kenny slow? In movement speed yeah, but you forget, Kenny is the guy who was able to dodge high speed sword strikes from Tosen, while all of Kenny's senses but touch were disabled, and did so by dodging when he felt the sword touch his clothes. THAT is reflex speed my friend. Not to mention he had his eyepatch on, and before that he was fighting and beating two Captains....Sea Shell Head captain?
9. Ichigo won the fight because Kenny was already flayed like a fish, and that was a temporary amp.
Yeah, I could agree with Grimmjowe bein faster than Noitora.
10. Ichigo's Bankai is not of his choosing, the form his Bankai takes has nothing to do with his "control." Ichigo's control over his Reitsu is not very good, hence why he cannot use Kido.
Never said he was as much of a natural as Ichigo.
11. No, he just has an incredible amount of Reitsu.
12. So in a thread with Ichigo, should we assume he will get a haxx powa to shoot a laza out of his penis?
13. PIS how? Why should he have wiped the floor with Grimmjow? Because he's Ichigo? I guess he should wipe the floor with Ulquiorra too, simply because he is Ichigo.
Exactly, everytime he does not(every fight), it is a plot device to make the fight last longer.